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| Gun Control Debate and defend whether or not you believe that the second amendment protects individual rights to bear arms. |
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| Re: The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed Quote:
The 2nd amendment does not explain how a militia should be regulated. It does grant the right to militias to keep and bear arms however. Maybe you need another read: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Put another way: To keep a state secure it is necessary to grant a well regulated militia the right to keep and bear arms. --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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--- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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The whole second amendment pertains to the militia. Not a well regulated citizen, a fucking militia. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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\"The improvement of understanding is for two ends: first, our own increase of knowledge; secondly, to enable us to deliver that knowledge to others. \" -John Locke War is not fought over Religion. Religion taken out of context is used as an ideological scapegoat to ensure one's own socio-economic conditions are met. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The debate of interpreting the Second Amendment in an Individual Right Model, or State's Right Model has been debated for years, and still really has yet to be interpreted by the court in future cases. So as of now, neither of you are right nor wrong. And it doesn't matter who concedes to the other in this debate, because the US Courts have not interpreted this issue yet and its not incorporated into the case law. But looking at the wording of the original texts of Madison's drafts (*) and even the later revisions of the wording during the span of the next few days or so (**) tends to lean the arguement toward the latter, and thus our founding fathers originally meant for the Second Amendment to pertain to the State's right to form armed militias and the right of the individuals to bear arms nessissary for them to serve in the militias. * Quote:
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| Interesting stuff found here: http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm The Second Amendment secures a right of individuals generally, not a right of States or a right restricted to persons serving in militias. Here are some more quotes: Quote:
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| How much did gun manufactures make last year? --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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