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Old 03-11-2007, 10:10 AM   #151 (permalink)
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It says "created equal". It doesn't say anything about being treated equal.
What does that mean?
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Old 03-11-2007, 10:52 AM   #152 (permalink)
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Btw are you an illegal
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

The Declaration of Independence

I keep reading & re-reading but I am still missing the qualifying statement that this does not apply to non-citizens.
But, where does it say illegals have the same right.BTW, are you an illegal, or do you profit from the illegals in any way,form or fashion?????
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It says "created equal". It doesn't say anything about being treated equal.
Thank you, atleast someone is paying attention..
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has america addressed the practical issue?
we have 300 million citizens.
we have 20 million (+) illegal aliens.
deporting 20 million people is like totally evacuating five STATES.

WHO IS PAYING for all these bus/plane tickets? 20MILLION? and the personnel to round them up - and try them - and do the paperwork - and ...

this is going to make the debt from the Iraq war seem like a pittance.

20 MILLION PEOPLE
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has america addressed the practical issue?
we have 300 million citizens.
we have 20 million (+) illegal aliens.
deporting 20 million people is like totally evacuating five STATES.

WHO IS PAYING for all these bus/plane tickets? 20MILLION? and the personnel to round them up - and try them - and do the paperwork - and ...

this is going to make the debt from the Iraq war seem like a pittance.

20 MILLION PEOPLE
kicking their asses out will be alot cheaper than just giving this country away..so make the illegals pay for it,hell they paid more than that just to come here..
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But, where does it say illegals have the same right.
Your original post was that they have NO rights.

Are you now saying that they just don't have the same rights?

If so, I cannot say that I disagree with that.

But, as human beings, illegal aliens have some basic rights. That would be covered by the "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" part.

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BTW, are you an illegal, or do you profit for the illegals in any way,form or fashion?????
1st question: No. As a matter of fact, unless you are Native American, some of my ancestors may have met yours when they first arrived on the continent. And my first European-American ancestor arrived in the colonies around 1720.

2nd question: As an individual? No. But as consumers, we all do. Don't kid yourself.

BTW, it speaks volumes to me about you that you felt compelled to ask those questions.
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kicking their asses out will be alot cheaper than just giving this country away..so make the illegals pay for it,hell they paid more than that just to come here..
How can we do that when we don't even know how many there are?
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How can we do that when we don't even know how many there are?
He's just being dumb.
or how do you say it?
ridiculous
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He's just being dumb.
or how do you say it?
ridiculous
At least when i said it I had reason to.
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Your original post was that they have NO rights.

Are you now saying that they just don't have the same rights?

If so, I cannot say that I disagree with that.

But, as human beings, illegal aliens have some basic rights. That would be covered by the "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" part.



1st question: No. As a matter of fact, unless you are Native American, some of my ancestors may have met yours when they first arrived on the continent. And my first European-American ancestor arrived in the colonies around 1720.

2nd question: As an individual? No. But as consumers, we all do. Don't kid yourself.

BTW, it speaks volumes to me about you that you felt compelled to ask those questions.
I tell you what ,, I will let the bleeding heart liberals worry about the illegals "human rights",and I will keep an eye out for the defend of my country..

If you must know my grandmother was(she dead now) full blooded Blackfoot, so this is still my land any which way you look at it..
and "we all" don't use illegal workers,I buy most of my veggies from the local farmers,you know the moms and pops...hell the stuff y'all get from the west coast could kill you. btw it speaks volumes to me, about the sellout opinions you have about this country ...
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL THAT DEFENDS HER..
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