Well first of all very few people think of doing something illegal and specify "there must be a gun involved".

Rather people plan to do something illegal and bring a gun along as a part of their equipment. And it is a necessary part of their equipment simply because of the proliferation of personal firearms in the US.

Many nations (like the european ones) more or less have a ban on guns. Burglars don't carry guns as they are not needed. And the simple fact is that ALL OF EUROPE COMBINED does not have even one TENTH of the gun murders the US does.

In fact if ownership of firearms becomes an offense, at least there will be no frivolous proliferation of weapons. Even in denmark if somebody wants to kill somebody with a gun they can do it. However at least the frequency of gun relatred crime is EXTREMELY LOW because it is only those who premediate murder that actually have the tenacity required to obtain a firearm. but then again anyone who MEANS to do harm can do it with a ny number of available weapons.

Unless you are telling me that Americans are unusually violent and have a penchant for committing gun murders, i would say that the reason so many people die from gunshots is due to the proliferation of guns, and NOT from the innate desire of people to go out and shoot people.

If possession of a gun becomes a crime, AT LEAST those murders that occurr in anger/passion, those that occur when a burglar and a homeowner hit an impasse, those that occurr simply because gangbangers can just drive by and shoot off a few rounds ( instead of getting out of the car and actually fighting), those that occurr because pulling a trigger is a lot quicker and distanced than taking a knife or a club to the victim, will be prevented.

I KNOW that guns don't kill humans, it is Humans that kill humans. Guns just make it a LOT easier and a LOT more "sanitized" ( aim, shoot, get lost).

I dunno why the US refuses to learn from the rest of the western civilized world on this account. Strict gun control laws keep gun murders down to virtually NOTHING in europe and Canada. What exactly (other than an assumption that america has MORE crazed killer-rapists and a MORE violent disposition than other nations) is the rationale for why it won't work in the US when it has worked VERY WELL with TANGIBLE results in the rest of the the "western civilized" world?

Is the US really such a violent place that one must own a gun to survive. If so then i'm not so sure i'm comfortable with the US policing the world. I mean i would rather follow a nation or nations where the population has PROVEN they are not violent and have abolished the use of guns, WITHOUT DETRIMENT TO THE RIGHTS AND SECURITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

No one claims that the Declaration of Independence does no apply to all men or for that matter women. However, distinguish between this and the Constitution which begins with We the People of the United States. Clearly identifying the people of the United States or citizens.

Therefore, the those rights or services granted to the people by the government are for the citizens, period, neither legislators nor judges have the power within the Constitution to grant these rights to non-citizens.

dmk

Thank you so much..

"No one claims that the Declaration of Independence does no apply to all men or for that matter women. "

It is not a law.

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Therefore, the those rights or services granted to the people by the government are for the citizens, period, neither legislators nor judges have the power within the Constitution to grant these rights to non-citizens.

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All one has to do is become naturalized according to the 14th amendment

Anymore ideas on how to give this country away????

Actually the poster that I responded to initially said that illegal immigrants have no rights.

The Declaration may not have the power of law but it certainly speaks to the spirit of the law.

If certain rights are "unalienable" then neither legislators nor judges have the power to deny them.

Actually, the rights of illegal immigrants in the US are protected under international law, primarily the UN's "Universal Declaration of Human Rights"...and also by treaties the US has with other nations.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

sgtdmski wrote:You have the hierarchical arrangement in Article Ten of the Bill of Rights confused. Government doesn't grant rights to the people; and any powers that government has are granted to it by the people, through the hierarchical arrangement of Article Ten.

Sorry to come into this so late...

We NEED to control guns and get rid of the PACs of gun producers.

We need to get certain types of guns OFF the market...or make it harder for people to get them. We need to take seriously the illegal sale of guns and make harsher punishments.

Why is it so hard to see that tighter gun control is common sense and not a violation of constitutional rights?

Oh..yeah...misinformation/disinformation and a little bit of "hate democrats" thrown in.

When you think about it, what reasons to citizens have for getting a gun? For those reasons, how big of a gun do they need?

No we need to control the crooks that can get guns..