Originally Posted by Katczinsky

But what the United States does have and the majority of these other countries do not have, is a culture of fear, unbridled corporatism, and now militarism. One of the primary reasons why shootings like these are happening at an increasing rate has a lot to do with to continuing closing of the gap between information and entertainment. American news media used to be like the majority of media around the world that focused on informing the public. Now it's focused on entertaining the public, and instilling fear into them. Basically, if you keep the populace afraid, they will consume.

And a popular reaction in American politics to international problems isn't finding common ground or settling things peacefully, but "what can we do to have it our way with our military"? The kidnappings of the British sailors and marines by Iran for example, would have been handled completely differently if the kidnappings were of American military men and women. Probably covert (or even overt) action would have superseded negotiations. Its all a part of the culture of fear.

People are afraid, don't trust anyone, and the American environment is by nature a breeder of alienation. Obviously a direct cause of this particular incident at Virginia Tech (a 'loner' gunman).

Originally Posted by garysher

So you want guns so you can shoot at cameras??

On that bogus surveillance issue, are you aware that you are being photogrpahed every time you use an ATM, visit a gas station, bank, supermarket, etc etc?

The average American is photographed every bit as much as his British counterpart, but at least we don't have the unofficial National ID of the SSN#.

As for tracking devices, whenever your cell phone is switched on you can be located to within 6 feet. Your car's GPS system or LoJack device provides the same convenience to those guys in dark suits!

Originally Posted by Hio

Duh we know we are on camera everywhere we go but the government cant use squat of it without legal documents allowing them(which can only be obtained during criminal matters), otherwise the footage is just erased by the store or company w/e.
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Wanna bet? Remember the recent wiretapping scandals?

That footage is as available as the one of you driving your car in London with 500,000 other vehicles!


Cell phones can only be tracked when a call is accepted or outgoing to make a trace.

Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Keeping the people from having guns isn't going to solve anything, and unlike you Brits, Americans like to be armed against tyranny, and not take it up the ass like you guys are doing with your obvious surveillance Orwell society being set up (with cameras on every street, cameras that even have speakers that tell people what to do, and all cars having tracking devices on them for just a few examples).

Originally Posted by Hio

Hellooooo thats why it was called a scandel, was done illegally.

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SO when's the court case??






And wrong it doesnt go to a satellitte, you are bounced from cell tower to cell tower, that is how they are able to triangulate your position, ONLY when you make or take a call

Originally Posted by indago

garysher wrote:

I agree with it because it is based on fact.