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| Partisan Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,784 Country: ![]()
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Making guns illegal won't solve the problem, there has to be a significant mind-shift, which will take decades (c.f. acceptability of smoking) knowuryder: and I should care what some dullard on a message board thinks about me because why exactly? | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,355
| While I disagree with much of Gary's logic, he is correct about the purpose of a gun.Except for sport shooting; Guns were designed to kill-that's it. And the original designers of firearms themselves knew this. They just wanted a more efficient way to do so. They did not bother themselves with the social implications as we must. A gun cannot discharge itself. A trigger must be pulled; by a human. Gary, banning guns does not,will not, and cannot solve this issue. I've said before, we cannot uninvent science or technology. Without trying to sound rude, guns are here to stay on the face of this Earth-period. We just need to regulate them better. I know this sounds like I'm jumping between fences here; I personally do not own a gun, but I have many friends who hunt. Where are they breaking any law?More specifically, When someone contemplates a murder, do they really care what weapon they use? I really don't think so. When I speak of regulation; I mean it's the human factor that must be regulated. I do believe that there are weapons that private citizens should not be allowed to own or purchase. I am against all forms of rapid firing (sub-machine) guns. My hunter friends nor any private citizen have no need to own such weapons. These are better suited to police forces and military use. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,355
| Now we're getting to the real meat of the situation!We must address the human factors involved. Afew posts ago, somebody wrote that his school was going to get shot up today, (4/1 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Community Leader ![]() Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ann Arbor, MI, USA Gender: ![]() Posts: 834
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| Block Captain ![]() Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Green Bay Wisconsin Posts: 271
| Yes it was copy/paste CCW (Concealed Carry) W/O Gov't Permission; Yelling Fire in Theatres. Yes I know that the website name does sound biased, but I have never heard about gun violence increasing after states passed concealed carry | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Account Deleted Join Date: Dec 2006 Gender: ![]() Posts: 3,738 Country: ![]()
| I am just gonna guess that this issue has been addressed with the information that I am going to post a link to here. Now I have truly shyed away from firearms and the issue at all. But I was looking to learn and consider the viewpoints of others and came across this article. I do vaguely remember something about this at the time of Katrina, but now I read it all and am seriously seeing a wrong course of action when the government would disarm it's law-abiding citizens. It is still hard for me, but this article really opened my eyes: "In the nearly two weeks since Hurricane Katrina, the government of New Orleans has devolved from its traditional status as an elective kleptocracy into something far more dangerous: an anarcho-tyranny that refuses to protect the public from criminals while preventing people from protecting themselves. At the orders of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, the New Orleans Police, the National Guard, the Oklahoma National Guard, and U.S. Marshals have begun breaking into homes at gunpoint, confiscating their lawfully-owned firearms, and evicting the residents. "No one is allowed to be armed. We're going to take all the guns," says P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. Last week, thousands of New Orleanians huddled in the Superdome and the Convention Center got a taste of anarcho-tyranny. Everyone entering those buildings was searched for firearms. So for a few days, they lived in a small world without guns. As in other such worlds, the weaker soon became the prey of the stronger. Tuesday's New Orleans Times-Picayune reported some of the grim results, as an Arkansas National Guardsman showed the reporter dozens of bodies rotting in a non-functional freezer. In the rest of the city, some police officers abandoned their posts, while others joined the looting spree. For several days, the ones who stayed on the job did not act to stop the looting that was going on right in front of them. To the extent that any homes or businesses were saved, the saviors were the many good citizens of New Orleans who defended their families, homes, and businesses with their own firearms." http://www.reason.com/news/printer/32966.html OD | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Block Captain ![]() Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Green Bay Wisconsin Posts: 271
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 37
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I'm talking about the vast majority of firearms which are specifically designed to kill people. THIS IS NOT WAR. THIS IS PEST CONTROL! | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,201
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There are a fey shootinf ranges around here in my town. And someone is doing it cause theu seem to stay open. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Community Leader ![]() Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ann Arbor, MI, USA Gender: ![]() Posts: 834
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I have not studied the effect of concealed carry laws on gun violence. If you or anyone else on this forum finds any such studies, please post them. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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