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Old 12-13-2007, 06:41 PM   #181 (permalink)
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Because you don't understand way mens rea is and what it means and how it is legally defined.

He was told to stay in the house, he lft the house with a gun, he loaded and cocked the gun before leaving the house, was told to stay inside by an employee on the police, he ignored the warning any responable person would conclude that it was not out of the realm of possibility that he went out there to shoot them.


This means if he could reasonably forsee that his behavior would result in the death of another human being he is guilty of 1st degree murder..I don't think he would be charged under this but what he did was with malice

I do understand malice aforethought. Though I was not familiar with the Latin term mens rea.

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n. 1) the conscious intent to cause death or great bodily harm to another person before a person commits the crime. Such malice is a required element to prove first degree murder. 2) a general evil and depraved state of mind in which the person is unconcerned for the lives of others. Thus, if a person uses a gun to hold up a bank and an innocent bystander is killed in a shoot-out with police, there is malice aforethought.

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You think he behaved recklessly and without concern for the lives of others.

I agree that he was reckless. But I also think that we have the advantage of hindsight.

Without that advantage, a responsible person might also have predicted that the burglars, armed only with a crowbar, would surrender when confronted with a shotgun. And if they had, Horn would have been hailed all around as a hero.

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Old 12-13-2007, 06:54 PM   #182 (permalink)
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It is a typical tactic of the Jewish mentality for argument. If you can't refute the message you have to attack the messenger.

How is calling him by his name an attack ??

Question, you didn't answer the question, question, you didn't answer the question, which signifies a head banging motion at the wailing wall.

At Gary's core is no basis for right or wrong, only his interpretation of the "Rule of Law", because "GOD said".
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It is William, Gary, William. You know that. Savvy!?
You and I have known each other for so long now I prefer the more informal Willie, Willie.

Gary is not my real name but you can call me Gar if you like, or Savvy. Either way I won't be offended.
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:01 PM   #184 (permalink)
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I do understand malice aforethought. Though I was not familiar with the Latin term mens rea.

Here is the short version:


You think he behaved recklessly and without concern for the lives of others.

I agree that he was reckless. But I also think that we have the advantage of hindsight.

Without that advantage, a responsible person might also have predicted that the burglars, armed only with a crowbar, would surrender when confronted with a shotgun. And if they had, Horn would have been hailed all around as a hero.
If he had stayed in his house as requested by the police then no confrontation need have taken place. No hindsight was needed by him to realise this.

Your defence simply doesn't withstand close scrutiny.

And no Judge would believe your absurd tactic of always saying "I explained this already and I don't want to repeat it", when you have merely stated an assertion without any attempt at substantiation.


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You and I have known each other for so long now I prefer the more informal Willie, Willie.

Gary is not my real name but you can call me Gar if you like, or Savvy. Either way I won't be offended.
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Sure call me whatever Willie but it's more typing than Gary
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Sure call me whatever Willie but it's more typing than Gary
Oh, you want to be called Whatever?
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He could shorten it and call you water...or what.
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He could shorten it and call you water...or what.
Ever heard the comedian Raymond J. Johnson, Jr.?

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