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Old 12-14-2007, 08:40 PM   #221 (permalink)
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Gary...any comment on how you determine right from wrong, or are you just going to continually spew modern Jewish ideology?
Try using the word because, ie...."because I'm a Jew, I support the status quo"
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Here's a take on it...

Under the section, which has been in place at least since 1973, a person is justified in using deadly force to protect a neighbor's property from burglary if the person "reasonably believes" deadly force is immediately necessary to stop the burglars from escaping with the stolen property. It's also justified if the shooter "reasonably believes" that "the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means."
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I guess that means Gary and co want the law changed to favour criminals.....how Jewish of them, LOL.
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http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=52495&provider=top

Coffey was shot in the head. He died Saturday night at UT Medical Center. Coffey is said to have an "extensive" criminal history.
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Coffey was shot in the head. He died Saturday night at UT Medical Center. Coffey is said to have an "extensive" criminal history.
Well, I kind of hope that burglars will think more about entering a residence at their own risk. I firmly believe that Smith will not be charged.

I know this sounds blunt but that saves just about every policeman/policewoman, D.A., judge, and courtroom from ever seeing Coffey again.
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an "extensive" criminal history.
One less opportunity for "policeman/policewoman, D.A., judge, and courtroom" to whore off of someone else's suffering.
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The answe4r is no. People get all up in your face about the rule of law when somone suggests we just let illegal immigrants stay because well its a better alternative then the 93 billion dollars and the 100 years it will take to find the people currently here...the detractors of such an idea rattle on about the Rule of Law..without understanding what the concept really means but thats another argument.

The guy did the wrong thing. You only get to shoot people if you have a clear and present danger. Leaving your house after a police despatcher had told you to stay inside your house is not a clear and present danger but putting your own life in danger and it could be argued committing a crime whilst another crime was in progress ...falls under the concept of Felony murder.

You also have to met force with like force. If the guy confronts people and they have a tire iron using a gun is a disproportional reaction.

Vigilante justice undermines the foundation of our society and should never be tolerated. I don't care what the other 2 did or had done. The guy is not a hero but just as bad as the 2 guys stealing from his neighbor. It doesn't mean the 2 men that he killed aren't complete cretins either it just means we have a legal system, the police had been called and that is the end of the story. The guy murdered two people its that simple. His property was not in danger, he was not personally in danger, he wasn't even afraid because he left his home, if he was in fear he'd of stayed inside following the advice of the depatcher but instead he left his home after being told to stay inside by a person employed by the police to give advice in such instances (as well as dispatch police) and hunted them down.

Whats next its Ok to kill someone because you thought they looked like they may do something???

People got very exicted because these 2 are illegals with a criminal record its just that simple..same hysterical reactionary crap from the media... vigilante justice is never a good thing and should be treated with disdain and he should be charged.
Part of the whole theory of the rule of law is the assumption that people will obey the Laws. Now, the Castle Law in Texas allows for someone to protect their own property and in cases, the property of their neighbors.

You were right, the police were called, yet they had not shown at the time the two men were beginning to flee the scene. Also we know that the Court's have ruled that the police are under no obligation to protect an individual, but rather function to protect the society as a whole.

The basic premise of the law still stands, Mr Horn will face a grand jury, and if they indict he will defend himself in court. However, none of this would have occurred in the first place if the two individuals had obeyed the law in the first place now would it?????

A man defended his neighbor's property against two individuals who sought to violate said property. The last time I checked the whole premise of the creation of government was for exactly this reason.

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Hey Gary
Don't be such a bloody nancy. In Texas, you get your arse shot for violating a man's property. It's old-fashioned American justice and fading fast from our ever-emerging politically-correct pyche.
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I guess that means Gary and co want the law changed to favour criminals.....how Jewish of them, LOL.
You sure are on about Jews. Do you miss your foreskin that much?
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CNN broke down the event to a suggestive yes or no question of the day:

“Do you believe Americans are entitled to use deadly force to protect their homes and the homes of their neighbors from burglars?”

With the home beyond protecting, and the criminals on the run, the question could just as easily have been: Do you believe Americans are entitled to execute burglars on the spot?”

The homeowner never got a chance to self-reflect.
When Lou Dobbs volunteered as negotiator for his ego, his conscience didn’t stand a chance. “Come on, these burglars were illegal aliens, had criminal records, and broke into a house in broad daylight. PLEASE. They had it coming. The actual definition of self-defense never entered Dobbs’ head.
Or you never took the time to understand the law, the Castle Doctrine applies in Texas, giving the right to protect property, and as the early transcript from the Dobbs telecast shows, that the law also allows for the shooting of a person fleeing from a scene of a theft with property.

Dobbs may be prejudice but then again so are you because you have prejudged Dobb without considering if his position on the basic premise is correct.

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People who respond to emotive sounding polls on Lou Dobbs show can hardly be described as the "general public"!

And yes, one certainly CAN commit cold blooded slaughter whilst protecting life or property.

Even the police were telling this bloodthirsty cowboy that it's not worth taking a life for material possessions.

It remains to be seen whether the redneck Horn has to go to trial and thence to prison for his criminal actions.
Why is he a redneck, because he is southern or from Texas? OK Limey we will keep this in mind. Another bigot showing his colors.

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