They were killed, not murdered.....murder is a criminal activity.

DavidHenry wrote:They weren't "killed" or "murdered". THEY WERE SHOT.

Unfortunately, they died...

By the way...The "Castle Doctrine" isn't necessarily a "southern thing" as some here are trying to portray. MANY states are adopting it.

The Castle Doctrine: A State-by-State Summary « tekel

CASTLE DOCTRINE AND SELF-DEFENSE

People need to adopt the attitude that there are a lot of people who deserve to be killed. If you want to take the notion that you are "playing God" whilst taking the life of another human being, you are obviously not paying the proper consideration to that person who just butchered a little kid for kicks, or just stabbed your mother to death to steal her gold wedding band.

Had he stayed in his house as the police requested Horn would not have been under threat nor have needed protection.

In this case the cops didn't shoot anyone..so its not the same and even the cops have to JUSTIFY shooting someone for it to be OK for an everyday person to shoot somone it has to be defined as excusable as opposed to justifiable.....a police officer may not use deadly force to prevent the commission of LARCENY unless other circumstances threaten him or other persons with imminent serious injury or death.

shooting someone and killing them is ALWAYS homicide but not necessarily murder..homicide has a broader meaning then murder.... there are legal excuses for homicide ecognized under the law..leaving your home after being instructed by someone who is employed to give advice in such situations not to and then go to your neighbors house to confront people stealing from your neighbor is NOT justfied under the law...and nothing you can say will justify it under the law...
The reason he has not been arrested yet is because Lou Dodds and the rest of the ignorant racist yokels are celebrating...Lou Dodds has power sadly enough and even the local DA is also up for re-election...all red neck right wing yokels in a position of power are scared to appear soft on crime and illegal immigration....if you can't recognize that then you know even less about politics then I thought you did.

what a butt ugly thought however If someone is raping my wife or daughter or sons I have a right to shoot its a legal excuse .it has to be a REASONABLE fear to life and or LIMB not TV set ya big moron...them but as I don't own a gun that isn't going to happen.....if someone broke into my home I would help them pack my stuff up to avoid violence anytime..my stuff means nothing I don't define myself by how many inbuilt sound system I have..LOL only people who grew up dirt poor and got something as an adult do that, people who have always had stuff don't care about it because we know it can be replaced easy enough..shame my tax dollars didn't educate you in things other then violent reactionary behavior...now my tax dollars pay for your house..you should kiss my ass..I gave you every material thing you have and made you everything you are..how sad ...what a bad investment

Here is the actual law..so you don't in ignorance shoot someone and deprive your kid the ability to watch you sit about all day watching Oprah followed by a few chores' and many hours posting on the Net, in the future

1) the threat to actual LIFE (and not property) has to be immediate
2) its a last resort..no other option
3) duty of retreat with the exception of being attacked in ones OWN home..this doens't mean you have to run away before you shoot either...it means you have a duty to retreat if its possible to retreat
4) danger of death or grave bodily harm. Where the law says "grave (or great) bodily harm," read crippling injury. That's where we get the statement "endangering life and limb."

A person is authorized to kill another person in self-defense or in the defense of others, but only if the person reasonably believes that the killing is absolutely necessary in order to prevent serious harm or death to himself or herself or to others.

Homicide - Justifiable Or Excusable Homicide, Other Defenses, Euthanasia And Physician-assisted Suicide, Further Readings

Justifiable homicide - Criminal Law Lawyer Source

You could have saved yourself a lot of typing...I've already covered your points here...
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gun...tml#post153325 (Texan shoots burglars in cold blood - no charges pressed)

Under the section, which has been in place at least since 1973, a person is justified in using deadly force to protect a neighbor's property from burglary if the person "reasonably believes" deadly force is immediately necessary to stop the burglars from escaping with the stolen property. It's also justified if the shooter "reasonably believes" that "the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means."


Just read back. He was justified under the law. The men had the loot and there was damage to the house they burglarized. Have you been paying attention? I guess YOU could plead ignorance though. You ARE adopted. Perhaps you were "drug exposed".

And your obsession with my life of leisure still has me concerned.

No it is not murder, it is a justifiable homicide, for that is what the law has established it to be. Justice may be about setting the scales equal, however, because we have seen the police are under no obligation to protect individuals, then ultimately it falls to the individual to protect themselves. Again we can go round and round on this issue, but the simple fact remains, had they not been criminals in the first place, they would not be dead. Had they obeyed the law in the first place, they would not have put themselves in the situation to face the loss of everything. They choose to commit the crime, knowing that they could face death if caught, yet the put the easy score ahead of their own lives, thus they lost.

I agree that because something is the law does not make it morally right. I have not argued that it does, however, legally it is right. The moral thing would to have not been breaking in entering in the first place. Now two wrongs may not make a right, however, in this case, all that was lost were two more criminals from our society. Am I sorry they are dead, yes, will I miss them, HELL NO!!!

dmk

If society was fair dinkum about crime prevention, we'd actually need to drastically overhaul the whole system IMO{as I believe that criminals are made}, but being that's highly unlikely, at least for time being......we could encourage people to own multiple weapons, and make it plain and clear that any illegal entry is grounds for shooting/using your weapons in defence of yourself/property, and that the occupants are virtually always free to use their weapons.

If complications arise, what we don't do is favour the crim....we effectively say badluck,....... any compromise will favour the crims, so shoot at will.

Now, no-one is forced to own any specific weapons, nor are they forced to use them, but people should be legally allowed to own weapons and fire upon intruders.

The police are ineffective as I'm sure you agree