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Old 02-25-2008, 06:19 PM   #281 (permalink)
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If you stick your leg into my house while breaking in, I'm going to shoot you. I'm not going to wait for you to rob anything, or for you to attack me. Under Florida law, I cannot be held liable as long as I can substantiate that I feel threatened. One of Florida's better laws.
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If you stick your leg into my house while breaking in, I'm going to shoot you. I'm not going to wait for you to rob anything, or for you to attack me. Under Florida law, I cannot be held liable as long as I can substantiate that I feel threatened. One of Florida's better laws.

I don't feel the need to go through life feeling threatened and frightened.

And I have no intention of breaking into your trailer to steal your 1986 VHS player and collection of beer bottle tops.

Let me make a wild guess here - you've never lived outside of the US?
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I don't feel the need to go through life feeling threatened and frightened.

And I have no intention of breaking into your trailer to steal your 1986 VHS player and collection of beer bottle tops.

Let me make a wild guess here - you've never lived outside of the US?
Au contraire my friend. I lived in Paris with my Parisian wife on and off for years, traveled throughout Europe, the Far East and the Middle East for months at a time and I don't see your point. I don't go through this life feeling threatened and frightened, but tell me this; would you not feel threatened and frightened if someone was breaking into your home posing a threat to those you love and yourself? Or would you welcome him (or them) in with an offer of tea and crumpets?

My American wife was the victim of a violent crime where someone broke into her house and murdered someone right in front of her and then came after her. Thankfully, due to her knowledge of the martial arts, she managed to barely fight off the attacker until the police broke down the door and took the killer into custody, although he butted her in the face with a shotgun. So this scenario is real and it happens. I could not, in good faith, take the chance of allowing such a thing to happen to her again. nor would I be inclined to allow myself to be open to such a threat.

And your desire to insult me by saying I live in a trailer and have a VHS from 1986 is below you. Not that it would matter if that was true, my right to defend myself and mine is indelible nonetheless. But just for your information I live in a fully paid for home, bought with cash, full of all the goodies I desire and more. I have a wonderful wife and four children, three grandchildren and friends around the world. I do have a VHS/DVD combo in one room, the only room with a standard definition TV - so if that tidbit somehow strengthens your argument, so be it. And I do drink beer, although I strongly prefer a VO Cognac or a good Bordeaux after dinner. How does this affect my predilection for self defense?
Old 02-26-2008, 01:18 AM   #284 (permalink)
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Au contraire my friend. I lived in Paris with my Parisian wife on and off for years, traveled throughout Europe, the Far East and the Middle East for months at a time and I don't see your point. I don't go through this life feeling threatened and frightened, but tell me this; would you not feel threatened and frightened if someone was breaking into your home posing a threat to those you love and yourself? Or would you welcome him (or them) in with an offer of tea and crumpets?

My American wife was the victim of a violent crime where someone broke into her house and murdered someone right in front of her and then came after her. Thankfully, due to her knowledge of the martial arts, she managed to barely fight off the attacker until the police broke down the door and took the killer into custody, although he butted her in the face with a shotgun. So this scenario is real and it happens. I could not, in good faith, take the chance of allowing such a thing to happen to her again. nor would I be inclined to allow myself to be open to such a threat.

And your desire to insult me by saying I live in a trailer and have a VHS from 1986 is below you. Not that it would matter if that was true, my right to defend myself and mine is indelible nonetheless. But just for your information I live in a fully paid for home, bought with cash, full of all the goodies I desire and more. I have a wonderful wife and four children, three grandchildren and friends around the world. I do have a VHS/DVD combo in one room, the only room with a standard definition TV - so if that tidbit somehow strengthens your argument, so be it. And I do drink beer, although I strongly prefer a VO Cognac or a good Bordeaux after dinner. How does this affect my predilection for self defense?

Thanks for confirming that your extreme views were framed by the traumatic incident that your wife underwent - in the USA?

Thankfully we don't all need to live by such distorted values.


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Au contraire my friend. I lived in Paris with my Parisian wife on and off for years, traveled throughout Europe, the Far East and the Middle East for months at a time and I don't see your point. I don't go through this life feeling threatened and frightened, but tell me this; would you not feel threatened and frightened if someone was breaking into your home posing a threat to those you love and yourself? Or would you welcome him (or them) in with an offer of tea and crumpets?

My American wife was the victim of a violent crime where someone broke into her house and murdered someone right in front of her and then came after her. Thankfully, due to her knowledge of the martial arts, she managed to barely fight off the attacker until the police broke down the door and took the killer into custody, although he butted her in the face with a shotgun. So this scenario is real and it happens. I could not, in good faith, take the chance of allowing such a thing to happen to her again. nor would I be inclined to allow myself to be open to such a threat.

And your desire to insult me by saying I live in a trailer and have a VHS from 1986 is below you. Not that it would matter if that was true, my right to defend myself and mine is indelible nonetheless. But just for your information I live in a fully paid for home, bought with cash, full of all the goodies I desire and more. I have a wonderful wife and four children, three grandchildren and friends around the world. I do have a VHS/DVD combo in one room, the only room with a standard definition TV - so if that tidbit somehow strengthens your argument, so be it. And I do drink beer, although I strongly prefer a VO Cognac or a good Bordeaux after dinner. How does this affect my predilection for self defense?
I am sorry to see what your wife went through. I am glad she had the martial arts training.
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This gentleman acted within the new laws of Texas which provide innocent law abiding citizens to protect themselves against the murdering filth crawling around the streets of Texas. Both criminals were walking aways AFTER he confronted them in his yard as they planned to break in to his home and probably kill him. I am glad they are both dead. I am laughing and encourage my fellow Texans to act in the same manner when murdering drug addicts attempt to storm your doors as you sit peacefully in the protection and safety of your own homes.
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This gentleman acted within the new laws of Texas which provide innocent law abiding citizens to protect themselves against the murdering filth crawling around the streets of Texas. Both criminals were walking aways AFTER he confronted them in his yard as they planned to break in to his home and probably kill him.

You are making that up! There is no evidence to shwo they intended to rob Horn's house



I am glad they are both dead. I am laughing and encourage my fellow Texans to act in the same manner when murdering drug addicts attempt to storm your doors as you sit peacefully in the protection and safety of your own homes.
I sympathise with what happened to your wife. Had it happened to my wife I would probably become as angry, deranged and bloodthirsty as you.

But that doesn't make it right to slaughter other people in cold blood for stealing material goods, as the police dispatcher pleaded with Horn.

Horn himself is said to be traumatised and deeply remorseful of his behaviour. It's one thing to watch someone being shot on the telly, but quite different to live the rest of your life in the knowledge that you took an innocent life.

We will have to wait and see if the Grand Jury believes Horn should face charges.


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Speaking of that Grand Jury, it seems like we would have heard something by now. Still nothing from the GJ and no formal charges. He's gonna walk, just as he should.
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Garysher: Hahah I've finally figured it out. You are such a pussy because you have lived a sheltered life bereft of tragedy. I suppose marginalizing the suffering of others makes you feel better about yourself and you uneventful boring life. Pardon me if my life experience is too brutal for you and if I don't live in an ideological fairy tale because of a lack of experience much in the way you do. How can someone be so proud of a political/life philosophy that is derived wholly from a lack of life experience? All I can say is the day that someone does decide to victimize you and you are at their mercy because of your willfull ignorance of reality and the fact that you have voluntarily become a worthless pussy. As long as no one ever fucks with you I am sure that you will go to your grave with your condescending attitude and your ill-begotten sense of self-importance.

Just one question, suppose there is someone in this world who doesn't understand how brilliant and important you think that you are? Then suppose that they identify the weakness within you that makes you think that you are entitled to walk through life without standng up for yourself? Would you even be willing to defend yourself? Would you be willing to defend members of your family? Would you even know how? Or would you simply call up the police and expect them to protect you? If you saw a woman being raped in the street would it be worth killing the rapist to stop him, or would that be infringing upon his civil rights? Would you even lift a finger to help, or would you cower in fear while waiting for the police? Would you even decline to kill someone if it meant losing your own life? If so then you don't deserve to survive.

The world is a jungle, and civilization is just an illusion. I go about my daily life with the utmost respect for other people, but once someone has broken the social contract that binds us together as a society , all bets are off and the law of the jungle supercedes all the bullshit we were ever taught. The main difference between us is that I am willing to do ANYTHING that I have to do to survive and protect the ones i love ,and you are not. Thusly, I have more of a right to live on this planet than you do, because I have the ability(mental and physical) to do what it takes to survive. If you are willing to die for your laughable and ridiculous ideals I would encourage you to do so, leaving more air for people who deserve to live. I hope deeply that I never have to use the skills or tools that I have accrued in my lifetime to protect myself, but if I ever HAVE to , I will. If you prefer to go through life unprepared for the harsh realities of nature and ignorant of the potential dangers that pervade physical existence then all I can do is laugh and wait for life experience to teach you the lessons that everyone in the real world already knows.
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Garysher: Hahah I've finally figured it out. You are such a pussy because you have lived a sheltered life bereft of tragedy. I suppose marginalizing the suffering of others makes you feel better about yourself and you uneventful boring life. Pardon me if my life experience is too brutal for you and if I don't live in an ideological fairy tale because of a lack of experience much in the way you do. How can someone be so proud of a political/life philosophy that is derived wholly from a lack of life experience? All I can say is the day that someone does decide to victimize you and you are at their mercy because of your willfull ignorance of reality and the fact that you have voluntarily become a worthless pussy. As long as no one ever fucks with you I am sure that you will go to your grave with your condescending attitude and your ill-begotten sense of self-importance.

Just one question, suppose there is someone in this world who doesn't understand how brilliant and important you think that you are? Then suppose that they identify the weakness within you that makes you think that you are entitled to walk through life without standng up for yourself? Would you even be willing to defend yourself? Would you be willing to defend members of your family? Would you even know how? Or would you simply call up the police and expect them to protect you? If you saw a woman being raped in the street would it be worth killing the rapist to stop him, or would that be infringing upon his civil rights? Would you even lift a finger to help, or would you cower in fear while waiting for the police? Would you even decline to kill someone if it meant losing your own life? If so then you don't deserve to survive.

The world is a jungle, and civilization is just an illusion. I go about my daily life with the utmost respect for other people, but once someone has broken the social contract that binds us together as a society , all bets are off and the law of the jungle supercedes all the bullshit we were ever taught. The main difference between us is that I am willing to do ANYTHING that I have to do to survive and protect the ones i love ,and you are not. Thusly, I have more of a right to live on this planet than you do, because I have the ability(mental and physical) to do what it takes to survive. If you are willing to die for your laughable and ridiculous ideals I would encourage you to do so, leaving more air for people who deserve to live. I hope deeply that I never have to use the skills or tools that I have accrued in my lifetime to protect myself, but if I ever HAVE to , I will. If you prefer to go through life unprepared for the harsh realities of nature and ignorant of the potential dangers that pervade physical existence then all I can do is laugh and wait for life experience to teach you the lessons that everyone in the real world already knows.

I daresay all these brutal life experiences exist only in your fetid imagination, and in reality you are an acne-ridden 17 year old from an underprivileged background who can't find a girlfriend, and therefore has enough spare time to type all that barely coherent crapola.

With such a neanderthal outlook on life you are doomed to exist on the ground floor of Maslow's hierarchy ( or possibly in the basement).
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