Defending the Truth

IF the thieves had been shot in the back, you might have a point.

There appears to be a discrepancy in the reporting of where they were shot.

This article quotes police as saying one was shot in the chest and the other in the side and that they were in Horn's yard at the time -- NOT being chased down the street.

This scene looks a lot like Tikrit or Kandahar transported to Texas

Why would anyone go into that neighborhood talking about "protesting" those guys getting shot? That's ignorant. I bet the owner of the house they were vandalizing is glad they got shot. And he/she probably hates they weren't there to to it themselves. I hope my neighbors do the same if they catch someone trying to invade my home.

Journalist Robert Crowe wrote for the Houston Chronicle 7 December 2007:
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Two burglary suspects shot by a Pasadena homeowner last month were illegal immigrants from Colombia, and one man had been deported nearly 10 years ago, authorities said Thursday.

Authorities also said they are investigating whether Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48, were part of a crime ring linked to burglaries and the use of fake immigration documents.

The two — killed by a Pasadena man Nov. 14 after he said they were trying to steal his neighbor's property — were in the country illegally, according to Leticia Zamarripa, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Joe Horn, 61, shot Ortiz and Torres, who went by the alias Miguel Antonio DeJesus. Horn called police after hearing breaking glass. He ignored an operator's warning to not go outside with his gun.

Pasadena Police Department Capt. A.H. "Bud" Corbett said Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction. He was on parole until 2017, Corbett said.

Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. He had two aliases.

Torres had identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He had three aliases.

State and federal authorities are investigating whether the two men, who lived in southwest Houston, were involved in the crime ring, Corbett said.

Police found almost $2,000 in cash in a white bag the men allegedly took from the home in the 7400 block of Timberline before Horn shot them.

Investigators also are trying to determine whether the men knew about the home or family before burglarizing it.

"I don't believe the victim was a random choice ... but there's no evidence of a relationship either," between the homeowners and suspects, Corbett said.

Horn told the operator that he did not know his neighbors well. Neighbors said the family moved into the home next to Horn's house about four months ago.

"I can't comment," a woman at the home said over the phone Thursday night.

A source told police that Ortiz and Torres burglarized the home, in part, because the homeowners were immigrants.

"They targeted foreign-born people," Corbett said. "They felt they were easier victims."

Little is known about the homeowners, who have Vietnamese surnames.

Neighbors said they own a small business near their Village Grove East subdivision.

Records filed with the Office of the Secretary of State of Texas show that the family owns a dry cleaning business on Fairmont Parkway.

Horn has received an outpouring of support from some neighbors, friends and strangers, but the incident also has outraged activists and other neighbors.

Activists and Horn supporters clashed Sunday when they staged dueling protests outside his home. The homeowners association is trying to prevent more protests from being held in the subdivision.
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13 CASES - from 5 counties with a combined population of 2,399,335 people. Do you need me to do the math for you???? That is 1 for every 184,564 people.

The story says might have been running away. Not that he was but that he might have been, meaning it was not certain, unlike your statement. But nonetheless, the individual in question was trying to steal the car of the man's wife. Perhaps if the individual was not a thief he would not have been shot. But then again, blame the man with the gun and not the criminal. Part of the law is the right to defend one's property, so let see, individual stealing car, hmm that;s property, right to defend, the criminal was shot. Perhaps next time this young 15 year old will think twice before breaking the law. Seems to me to be a pretty good deterrence.

As far as the other case cited by the article there is not enough information to form any reasonable opinion. Now information regarding why the individual was on the persons property in the first place. For all we know, the man might have been attempting to burglarize the house.

13 cases and the article has the audacity to say send the law back to the drawing boards. Sounds like the same crap that was claimed when right to carry was passed, and despite all the harping, the dire predictions never came true.

You may be able to fool some of the people by spew those same and tired catch phrases that turned out to be lies. But more people than you think remember the truth. They were lies in 1987 and they are still the same today, only this time, they are tried and failed lies. Please, come up with something new..............

dmk

My view is that you just don't illegally enter another person's property, if you do, then you're at their mercy.

DavidHenry wrote:Yes, burglizing is a VERY risky business...

It's much safer to work