Defending the Truth

Already did Gary, read the article

The reason Britain imposed handgun controls after the Dunblane massacre ( when a madman walked into a school and killed 14 children and a teacher) is because the British people DEMANDED their government took that action.

It's called democracy.[/quote]May have so, but that doesnt make them and safer from there decision.


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And I dont agree that the banning of guns in England could be completely out of the loop. The imigrints would be less likely to commit those crimes if you were armed.

May have so, but that doesnt make them and safer from there decision.

As I explained, if the handgun ban had NOT been in place maybe crime would have increased 400 times instead of just 4.

Unlike their American cousins, Brits don't have that paranoid fear of almost everything.

An increase in crime is one thing, an increase in murder is something else.

As a staunch pro-lifer I'm sure you would agree.




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And I dont agree that the banning of guns in England could be completely out of the loop. The imigrints would be less likely to commit those crimes if you were armed.[/quote]


So now it's all the immigrants fault??

See how you are conditioned by American right-wing values??

I did read it Gary. These are the lies exposed. For example just off the top of my head remembering the article

-The latest figures show that there was a 13 per cent fall in firearms offences, excluding air weapons, from 11,084 in 2005-06 to 9,608 in 2006-07.

This was exposed as a lie, and showed that there was actualy a 18% increase in fire arm offenses.

And I dont agree that the banning of guns in England could be completely out of the loop. The imigrints would be less likely to commit those crimes if you were armed.[/quote]


So now it's all the immigrants fault??

See how you are conditioned by American right-wing values??[/quote]

Oh thats fair. You are the one who said it was very possible that your gun crime rate increased cause of them, not me.

You're getting confused Grace.

There was an 18% increase in 2005-6 and a 13% decrease in 2006-7.

When you are dealing with relatively low murder rates - between 40 and 60 - those kind of percentage swings are rather misleading.

If you read the quotes I posted - from YOUR linked article- you will see that the statistics swing considerably.

One thing is for sure - the firearms murder rate in the entire UK is still about 7 times smaller than in the US per capita.

The Brits will continue to keep their government in line by not granting it permission to legalise handguns, in case ot leads to a US style killing culture

The article I posted said there are on average 10 injuries, or murders by fire arms everyday in England. Thats alot more than 40-60 cases.

I wish pro-gun fanatics would stop peddling this lie. It was probably started by the NRA.

But nonetheless, the Nazi Government abolished many of the stringent gun control laws that were put in place under the Weimar Republic. Eventually, the only form of regulation they had applied to handguns, and that was only the required permit. Their laws were more relaxed than our's. Guns didn't save them from tyranny.

The NRA would or usually go to bat for whoever wants to own a gun. But with the way the murders of the three college students happened, and the murders in the Los Angeles, what does the NRA think of that. Do they care?

The NRA's Wayne LaPierre once called the law officers jack-booted thugs, for which former president George H.W. Bush tore up his NRA membership card. LaPierre appealed to H.W. to reconsider his membership. I know that Charlton Heston looked the other way though (my cold dead hands, quote).