Englands Gun crimes 4 times higher since ban

pensacola_niceman · 04-26-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by garysher

I dread to think about the number of firearms injuries in the US, do you have any statistics on that?

To quote your article again:

"Firearms murders (in the UK) have never gone over the 100 figure in the past eight years, although they did reach a peak of 95 in 2001-02 before starting to decline."

To put this in perspective the number of firearms murders for this year in Los Angeles is 93, as of last Monday

That's 93 in 11 weeks in Los Angeles alone!!!!

LA has a population of about 8 million, the UK population is about 60 million.

I'm not sure what it will take for you to appreciate just how out of control the gun problem is in America, and the horrific price you are paying for this allegedly God-given "right".

Other industrialised nations look on in disbelief.

Why do you live in Los Angeles anyway?

garysher · 04-26-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman

Why do you live in Los Angeles anyway?

Fortunately I live in one of the good parts by the beach. Great weather all year round and nice people.

Grace · 04-27-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman

That's a crock of shit. Gun laws were actually relaxed under Nazi Germany from the laws of the former Weimer Republic that governed Germany before Hitler's rise to power.

Nazi Gun Control

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.

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Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)
Classified guns for "sporting purposes".

All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.

Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.

Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.

The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.

Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.

A Gun Control Law Passed by the German Government One Day After Kristallnacht

1573

Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons

11 November 1938

With a basis in §31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p.265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and §9 of the Führer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p 1331) are the following ordered:
§1
Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
§2
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.
§3
The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in §1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.
§4
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.
§5
For the implementation of this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions. §6
This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts. Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
Frick

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Grace · 04-27-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Many mainstream evangelist whacko's are seriously convinced that the Anti-Christ will rise as a leader of the EU.

Thats cause the bible tells us so.

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What do we Americans have to fear from a foreign union of states that is weaker than our former Articles of Confederation?

They are all in it together. NAFTA is next to be implimented.

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Conservatives (not so much in the political context of the word) are deathly afraid not of globalization as an expansion of markets, but rather globalization as a cultural and communication bridge between societies. It is a backward xenophobic mentality that would rather preserve their closed and sheltered lifestyles over the possible abdication of national conflict through peaceful resolution. The character of the anti-Christ characterizes this fear, as a eloquent leader that leads the nations of the world to peace.

LOL, that is absurd. If we conservatives fear anything, its losing sovernty. Its being ruled or taxed by foreign world powers. Long Live the Republic. Christians dont fear the anti-christ, cause biblicaly we will be gone before we even know who he is.

pensacola_niceman · 04-27-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Fortunately I live in one of the good parts by the beach. Great weather all year round and nice people.

Very nice. Can I come for a visit soon?

pensacola_niceman · 04-27-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

Nazi Gun Control

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.

<B>

Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)
Classified guns for "sporting purposes".

All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.

Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.

Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.

The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.

Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.

A Gun Control Law Passed by the German Government One Day After Kristallnacht

1573
Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons

11 November 1938

With a basis in §31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p.265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and §9 of the Führer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p 1331) are the following ordered:
§1
Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
§2
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.
§3
The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in §1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.
§4
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.
§5
For the implementation of this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions. §6
This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts. Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
Frick

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The gun control laws applied to the "inferior races" - Jews mostly. The Weimar law was far more restricting:

In 1919, facing political and economic chaos and possible Communist revolution after Germany's defeat in the First World War, the Weimar Republic enacted the Regulation of the Council of the People's Delegates on Weapons Possession. The new law banned the civilian possession of all firearms and ammunition, and demanded their surrender "immediately."

On November 9, 1938, the Nazis launched the Kristallnacht, pogrom, and unarmed Jews all over Germany were attacked by government-sponsored mobs. In conjunction with Kristallnacht, the government used the administrative authority of the 1938 Weapons Law to require immediate Jewish surrender of all firearms and edged weapons, and to mandate a sentence of death or 20 years in a concentration camp for any violation

Katczinsky · 04-27-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

Thats cause the bible tells us so.

LOL. I would be interested to see the quote from the bible that says 'the anti-Christ shall rise from the European Union'.

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They are all in it together. NAFTA is next to be implimented.

Er, NAFTA is already implemented. Even granted the damage it does to American families, I still can barely understand why you would consider a trade agreement the loss of sovereignty.

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LOL, that is absurd. If we conservatives fear anything, its losing sovernty. Its being ruled or taxed by foreign world powers. Long Live the Republic. Christians dont fear the anti-christ, cause biblicaly we will be gone before we even know who he is.

And sovereignty is retained in the European Union. But the point is, is that I don't understand why you have anything to fear from the European Union, seeing as we don't qualify as a part of Europe?

pensacola_niceman · 04-27-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

LOL. I would be interested to see the quote from the bible that says 'the anti-Christ shall rise from the European Union'.

Er, NAFTA is already implemented. Even granted the damage it does to American families, I still can barely understand why you would consider a trade agreement the loss of sovereignty.

And sovereignty is retained in the European Union. But the point is, is that I don't understand why you have anything to fear from the European Union, seeing as we don't qualify as a part of Europe?

Grace will be sucked up to heaven during the rapture long before everything goes to total shit on the earth. You too can be saved; however, it will require your thinking brain to be sucked clean out of your skull (like Grace's) and transplanted with a sheep's brain that can find its way into that Baptist church. HA!

Grace · 04-27-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

LOL. I would be interested to see the quote from the bible that says 'the anti-Christ shall rise from the European Union'.

It says he will rise outta the revived Roman empire.

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Er, NAFTA is already implemented. Even granted the damage it does to American families, I still can barely understand why you would consider a trade agreement the loss of sovereignty.

The "trade agreement" is just the mask, for the real intentions.

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And sovereignty is retained in the European Union. But the point is, is that I don't understand why you have anything to fear from the European Union, seeing as we don't qualify as a part of Europe?

They wont be for long. I dont see why you think I have any fear of the EU?

Grace · 04-27-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman

Grace will be sucked up to heaven during the rapture long before everything goes to total shit on the earth.

And I wish I could see the look on your face when it happens.