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Gun Control Debate and defend whether or not you believe that the second amendment protects individual rights to bear arms.

View Poll Results: Can private, community militias be a good thing?
Yes 16 51.61%
No 7 22.58%
Undecided 7 22.58%
No, we can depend on the Military & Guard to handle everything 1 3.23%
Jesus is all we need! 0 0%
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Old 09-20-2006, 04:41 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The problem is your not a well regulated militia.
Vigilantes do not count.


The 2nd amendment was created to protect the state from a tyranical government. Many people have added other items to justify guns or oppose guns. But, those issues are irrevelvant. The purpose of the second amendment is not for self defense, not for hunting, etc... The countries first constitution was not working, so in 1778 they got rid of it and made a new one the one we presently have. Under the old constitution the States where more powerful than the federal goverment. This was becoming a problem for the United States. They decided to that the Federal government need more power if the United States was to survive. To guarantee the states that the Federal government would not become a tyrany they granted the right to the people to bear arms in a well regulated miltia against a federal government gone bad.
From your contention we are to believe that the 2nd Amendment addresses the states. Then simply answer why do all nine others apply to the individuals??? Furthermore, why does the amendment include the words the right of the people??? The founders must have had something in mind when they included those words.

One must remember that during the early years of this country many people owned guns, for hunting, protection, and when the need arouse to be a part of the militia. It was the people themselves that supplied their own arms, not the government.

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Old 10-25-2006, 12:01 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Alright, I found this little website on a web search so Ill add my two cents here.


Militias are not just meant to be gun owners defending their rights to own weaponry. A good active militia should be involved in the community on every level.

Volunteer work, investigating government corruption where noone would. Working with the local police and law enforcement to help find missing children. Keeping tabs on gang activity, keeping an eye on the neighborhoods where cops refuse to go.

Yes, Militias serve a much bigger purpouse than you all think. The 2nd Amendment as well as the bulk of the constitution gives us the right to defend ourselves should the government fail to do so.

When in a militia, invite local police and city leaders to your meetings. Encourage people to vote. Have fun activitys too, for the whole family. Picnics, partys, fishing/hunting trips.

I for one, am not in a militia. I would be if my home state wasnt a hot bed of Anti-Gun legislation and corrupt liberal politicians.
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Alright, I found this little website on a web search so Ill add my two cents here.


Militias are not just meant to be gun owners defending their rights to own weaponry. A good active militia should be involved in the community on every level.

Volunteer work, investigating government corruption where noone would. Working with the local police and law enforcement to help find missing children. Keeping tabs on gang activity, keeping an eye on the neighborhoods where cops refuse to go.

Yes, Militias serve a much bigger purpouse than you all think. The 2nd Amendment as well as the bulk of the constitution gives us the right to defend ourselves should the government fail to do so.

When in a militia, invite local police and city leaders to your meetings. Encourage people to vote. Have fun activitys too, for the whole family. Picnics, partys, fishing/hunting trips.

I for one, am not in a militia. I would be if my home state wasnt a hot bed of Anti-Gun legislation and corrupt liberal politicians.
Welcome to the site. very little site...

haha. Very interesting post!
Old 10-26-2006, 12:31 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The Civil Air Patrol is a close example, but they are too closely controled by the USAF.
Ya, nothing against you tad pole but i think a local militia is a dangerous thing because how far is to far? When was the last time we've had a tyrant for President, the constitution almost makes that impossible. Also how woud this militia decide what laws to follow and who to listen to and so on? Alos the civil air patrol does not carry guns.
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The 2nd Amendment is the final set of checks and balances on the Government. As it was intended to be. I can throw you quotes from the founders regarding this, but I doubt the anti-gun platoon would listen.

The militia was meant to be a way for America to defend itself from abroad and within. WHose gonna stop a tyrannical power from taking over when therre is noone to oppose?

And lastly, This Nation is slipping into a tyranny. The Patriot Act, the war powers act. Domestic Spying, Imminent Domain, Gun Control, And so on. The Government gets bigger and more overbearing with each bill congress waves through.
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From your contention we are to believe that the 2nd Amendment addresses the states. Then simply answer why do all nine others apply to the individuals??? Furthermore, why does the amendment include the words the right of the people??? The founders must have had something in mind when they included those words.

One must remember that during the early years of this country many people owned guns, for hunting, protection, and when the need arouse to be a part of the militia. It was the people themselves that supplied their own arms, not the government.

dmk
Excellent point!

I absolutely agree. I am forced to assume that the founding fathers recognized guns for what they are... tools. You don't blame tools for their uses.
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Old 10-29-2006, 11:49 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Alright, I found this little website on a web search so Ill add my two cents here.


Militias are not just meant to be gun owners defending their rights to own weaponry. A good active militia should be involved in the community on every level.

Volunteer work, investigating government corruption where noone would. Working with the local police and law enforcement to help find missing children. Keeping tabs on gang activity, keeping an eye on the neighborhoods where cops refuse to go.

Yes, Militias serve a much bigger purpouse than you all think. The 2nd Amendment as well as the bulk of the constitution gives us the right to defend ourselves should the government fail to do so.

When in a militia, invite local police and city leaders to your meetings. Encourage people to vote. Have fun activitys too, for the whole family. Picnics, partys, fishing/hunting trips.

I for one, am not in a militia. I would be if my home state wasnt a hot bed of Anti-Gun legislation and corrupt liberal politicians.
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Old 10-29-2006, 11:53 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Ya, nothing against you tad pole but i think a local militia is a dangerous thing because how far is to far? When was the last time we've had a tyrant for President, the constitution almost makes that impossible. Also how woud this militia decide what laws to follow and who to listen to and so on? Alos the civil air patrol does not carry guns.
They do train with guns though.

I think a well organized militia could be a good community organization. How do you decide which laws to follow? No one follows them all. Everyone litters or jay walks from time-to-time. The point is that in a country that still has bounty hunters, which are recognized as serving a legitimate purpose, I don't see how we could deny the legitimate point of a militia.

When was the last time we had a tyrant for president? Some would argue we have one now. But even if that isn't the case, assuming 'it can't happen here' is the wrong answer.
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Old 10-29-2006, 11:55 AM   #19 (permalink)
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The 2nd Amendment is the final set of checks and balances on the Government. As it was intended to be. I can throw you quotes from the founders regarding this, but I doubt the anti-gun platoon would listen.

The militia was meant to be a way for America to defend itself from abroad and within. WHose gonna stop a tyrannical power from taking over when therre is noone to oppose?

And lastly, This Nation is slipping into a tyranny. The Patriot Act, the war powers act. Domestic Spying, Imminent Domain, Gun Control, And so on. The Government gets bigger and more overbearing with each bill congress waves through.
Exactly my point
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Alright, I found this little website on a web search so Ill add my two cents here.


Militias are not just meant to be gun owners defending their rights to own weaponry. A good active militia should be involved in the community on every level.

Volunteer work, investigating government corruption where noone would. Working with the local police and law enforcement to help find missing children. Keeping tabs on gang activity, keeping an eye on the neighborhoods where cops refuse to go.

Yes, Militias serve a much bigger purpouse than you all think. The 2nd Amendment as well as the bulk of the constitution gives us the right to defend ourselves should the government fail to do so.

When in a militia, invite local police and city leaders to your meetings. Encourage people to vote. Have fun activitys too, for the whole family. Picnics, partys, fishing/hunting trips.

I for one, am not in a militia. I would be if my home state wasnt a hot bed of Anti-Gun legislation and corrupt liberal politicians.
Why let the anti-gun legislation and politicians stop you? Seems to me that being part of an active militia is a way of serving one's community.
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