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The Right to Form a Well Regulated Militia...

Gun Control Debate and defend whether or not you believe that the second amendment protects individual rights to bear arms.

View Poll Results: Can private, community militias be a good thing?
Yes 16 51.61%
No 7 22.58%
Undecided 7 22.58%
No, we can depend on the Military & Guard to handle everything 1 3.23%
Jesus is all we need! 0 0%
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:10 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Well, Ill end this in saying. Anyone may form a militia. Its in the constitution, so till the 2nd amendment is repealed, or reworded, not a lot you can do about it.
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Old 11-15-2006, 10:31 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I have a feeling that your militia is not the kind I was talking about.
I would like to hear your definition of your word "undesireables". You might be misleading the readers of this forum by this word
Old 11-16-2006, 05:01 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Another good question would be does a "well regulated" militia even exist anymore? Who is regulating them?
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Another good question would be does a "well regulated" militia even exist anymore? Who is regulating them?
Well, that is a good question. I am not sure the so called 'minutemen' on our Mexican-USA borders are 'well regulated'. They seem a bit extreme to me. I listened to some of their leaders speak on CNN one day, and I'll have to admit that their statements made me nervous.





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Old 03-19-2007, 06:54 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Well, that is a good question. I am not sure the so called 'minutemen' on our Mexican-USA borders are 'well regulated'. They seem a bit extreme to me. I listened to some of their leaders speak on CNN one day, and I'll have to admit that their statements made me nervous.
I have watch the MM from time to time, i see nothing wrong with what they are doing,,it not like they are shooting illegals, they are trying to get people to pay attention to the problems with our borders...
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Alright, I found this little website on a web search so Ill add my two cents here.


Militias are not just meant to be gun owners defending their rights to own weaponry. A good active militia should be involved in the community on every level.

Volunteer work, investigating government corruption where noone would. Working with the local police and law enforcement to help find missing children. Keeping tabs on gang activity, keeping an eye on the neighborhoods where cops refuse to go.

Yes, Militias serve a much bigger purpouse than you all think. The 2nd Amendment as well as the bulk of the constitution gives us the right to defend ourselves should the government fail to do so.

When in a militia, invite local police and city leaders to your meetings. Encourage people to vote. Have fun activitys too, for the whole family. Picnics, partys, fishing/hunting trips.

I for one, am not in a militia. I would be if my home state wasnt a hot bed of Anti-Gun legislation and corrupt liberal politicians.
I can see something like this working..
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Old 03-19-2007, 08:53 AM   #37 (permalink)
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The open use of the word "undesireables" by Knight69 is what will throw most people off track. It gives the impression that a "militia" can decide who is acceptable to our society and who isn't- and then to act as they deem fit to change it.
You cannot compare the militias of the 1700's with the definition of militias of today. The former were regulated by the state they served in; that is what I think the founding fathers meant by "well-regulated".
My other point was brought up by someone else. Who would regulate these militias we speak of today? I think by Knight69's definition; (correct me if I'm wrong)they would regulate themselves. Is that a good idea? Would that not lead to outright anarchy?
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All nine others do not apply to individuals (or better yet, that is not their primary audience). Obviously individuals have those rights. They were deemed inalienable rights conferred upon by god or nature; they're already written. The Constitution is just a legal document that pertains to the government. Our framers thought that if the Constitution were to be destroyed or suspended then the rights detailed in that document still retain to the people, and it is consequently their intention that it is the people's right and duty to overthrow such a government.

So the Bill of Rights is just a legal document that tells the government what it can not violate, not what the people can do. It is already implied to the people that they have those rights. Therefore the Bill of Rights addresses the states and the federal government. Not only because of what I have said but because the Fourteenth Amendment applies them to the states.
I agree totally. The Bill of Rights places limits on the power of government when it comes to what it can and cannot do. But the point remains that in the other Amendments of the Bill or Rights, it is assumed that when stated that the Right of the People refer to the individual citizens. Yet the anti-gun crowd wants to convince the people that the Right of the People does not mean the individual citizen in the 2nd Amendment.

From your argument, since the Bill or Rights states to the right to keep and bear arms, the argument would be that this right exists before government and as such the right remains with the people regardless of what government may say.

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Well, the only "milita" guys I ever met were the Militia Of Montana (MOM... LOL) members back in the early 90s. I grew up in Montana, and like many Montanans, I thought they were a bunch of clowns. First of all, most of 'em weren't even FROM Montana -- the leaders all migrated over from Michigan.

Also, many of them had racist ties.

I asked one about his frequent known associations with the Aryan Nations group in Northern Idaho, and he was like, "Well, ummm, I go there from time to time to try to educate them in the error of their ways."

Yeah, right, Buddy... whatever... LOL!!!
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Old 05-14-2007, 04:39 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I would like to know who would be responsible for the "regulating". In and of itself, this will create a problem.
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