This type of thinking was not employed during the Black Americans fight for their civil rights. I did not hear of any Black American leader saying they must win “the winning of hearts and minds” of a bunch of racist.
The time has come and gone with being civil with people that want to ban the right to bear arms. Being civil has brought America nothing but 70 or more years of gun control.
Here is an example of the old line of thought. The issue is about the right to bear arms not guns. One will notice that when people defend the 1st amend it is not referred to as a pro-book or pro-movie group. All you hear these people say it is my right.

The funny thing about this post is gun hater Sarah Brady’s bunch of gun haters want to ban the 50 cal rifle because it is used by the military. What does the miller case say about military type of firearms?

Chant militia all you want to gun haters, nowhere does it state a person must be in a militia to bear arms.

(Martin Luther) King’s words are as insightful and thought provoking today as they were when he wrote them:

1. Nonviolent resistance is not for cowards. It is not a quiet, passive acceptance of evil. One is passive and nonviolent physically, but very active spiritually, always seeking ways to persuade the opponent of advantages to the way of love, cooperation, and peace.

2. The goal is not to defeat or humiliate the opponent but rather to win him or her over to understanding new ways to create cooperation and community.

3. The nonviolent resister attacks the forces of evil, not the people who are engaged in injustice. AS King said in Montgomery, “We are out to defeat injustice and not white persons who may be unjust.”
http://www.care2.com/channels/solutions/self/1716

Well gun hater being uncivil is not calling you what you are. Uncivil would be the use of profane words, and insults. You know like saying people cannot carry on an intelligent debate. The only words I have used is gun hater. Now I will not use anti gun or gun control advocate because these terms do not tell people what you are and want you want to do. The fact is gun haters are like any other hate group, they want to take a right away from people.
Every law the gun haters have passed are not obeyed by the criminals, just the law abiding citizens.
If criminals obeyed gun control laws then there would not have been a columbine. How many gun control laws were violated at columbine? Gun free zone did not stop the criminals, but it did stop law biding citizens from carry guns onto a school. Buying guns underage? Well this did not stop them. What about the law against murder? That is not even a gun control law and that did not stop them.

Interesting points.

The only thing that would help our incredibly violent gun problem in America is to switch from our failed capitalist system to a newer version of capitalism that implements more socialized ideas (health care, retirement security, maturnity leave, educational benefits, etc).

Either that or a complete ban of firearms.

Social conditions? Criminals like hate group members have no respect for the rights of other people.
Gun ban? Do you gun hater actually think a gun ban will keep criminals from getting guns? If bans worked there word be no illegal drugs. No child porn. No murder. No robbery.
The law abiding citizens are the only people that obey bans.

While I agree with you that our economic system is a failure, it is worthy to note that we do not have a capitalistic system, but rather a mixed economy system. Before ditching capitalism, perhaps we should try it complete first, since we already know that socialism fails.

dmk

sgtdmski has noted: "Miller was arrested for transporting a weapon interstate under the National Firearms Act of 1934. A district court overturned said conviction based on the assumption that the National Firearms Act violated the Second Amendment."

Mr. Miller was not convicted of any crime.

Jack Miller and Frank Layton were apprehended carrying a sawed-off shotgun from Claremore, Oklahoma to Siloam, Arkansas. They were brought, under indictment, to the federal district court in Arkansas. The indictment filed against them charged, in part, that they "did unlawfully, knowingly, wilfully, and feloniously transport in interstate commerce from the town of Claremore in the State of Oklahoma to the town of Siloam Springs in the State of Arkansas a certain firearm, to-wit, a double barrel 12-gauge shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length...", in violation of the Federal Firearms Act, 26 USC Section 1132, a felony crime. They filed a demurrer declaring that the indictment was insufficient in that it did not indicate that a crime had been committed, and that the National Firearms Act "offends the inhibition of the Second Amendment", infringing upon their right to keep and bear arms. The federal court agreed, quashed the indictment, and they were discharged from custody.

sgtdmski has also noted: "In the Supreme Court ruling McReynolds held that the act did not violate the Second Amendment because a "sawed-off" shotgun was not a weapon routinely used by the militia."

The Justices of the United States Supreme Court, not having fought in WW1, and not having any idea of the military value of a "double barrel 12-gauge shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length", could not give judicial notice that such would be the case. The indictment had been quashed, and there was no trial in which to present evidence or to obtain any facts in the case. The Court wrote: "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less that eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense." So, in order to have a more rounded and factual presentation before them, they "unquashed" the indictment, and sent the case back to the district court for a trial on the issues for evidence to be presented, and facts to be developed.

I know that if someone was to come and try to take my guns away one of us would be dead. I will only give up my guns over my dead body. If twenty cops try to take them away I will kill as many of them as I can. So go ahead and try to take them away the number of deaths will rise I promise that.

While socialism may have failed, social democracy has not.

From the CIA website about American economy:

The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households.


It is time to implement these socialist ideals to put those at the top in check.