Defending the Truth

And in regards to your signature... There is definitely a requirement to be in the militia to bear arms.

And I quote:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

A militia is no longer necessary to the security of a free State, therefore you have no right to keep and bear arms in my opinion.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."--The Second Amendment

"The Second Amendment has been the subject of one of the greatest piece of fraud, I repeat the word, 'fraud', on the American public. The distortion of the intent of the framers of the Bill of Rights by the gun lobby is glaring, as they focus their argument on the last half of the amendment, while ignoring the first half, on which it was based".--Former Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren E. Burger (1991)



Hickman had argued that "individuals have a right to complain about the manner in which a state arms its citizens." The court failed "to see the logic in this argument":


The Second Amendment creates a right, not a duty. It does not oblige the states to keep armed militia, or to arm their citizens generally, although some states do preserve, nominally at least, a broad individual right to bear arms as a foundation for their state militia....Even in states which profess to maintain a citizen militia, an individual may not rely on this fact to manipulate the Constitution's legal injury requirement by arguing that a particular weapon of his admits some military use, or that he himself is a member of the armed citizenry from which the state draws its militia....Because the right to keep an armed militia is a right held by the states alone, Hickman has failed to show "injury" as required by constitutional standing doctrine.


The appeals court was not making new law; it merely followed United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939), the Supreme Court's definitive statement on the Second Amendment. Miller was indicted for carrying a sawed-off shotgun across state lines, and argued that the Second Amendment gave him the right to possess such a weapon. The Court held that "[i]n the absence of any evidence tending to show that the possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument." The Hickman court, citing this language, noted that "it is only in furtherance of state security that 'the right to keep and bear arms' is finally proclaimed."
http://www.spectacle.org/996/2d.html


The second amendment is about the MILITIA's right to bear arms.
The courts have been quite explicit on this point...

Brilliant post! hear hear!

Whereas I think it is a bit harsh to refer to anti-gun folks as a hate group, I agree with you on all the points here, except one. All guns are potentially dangerous weapons of terrorism, just look at what we are using them for in Iraq! But that does not mean they should be banned. Jets are also potentially dangerous weapons of terrorism, and I doubt we will ban them. Gun ownership MUST be free and unrestricted.

Agreed, and the fact that people die is irrelevant. I could kill a man with my hands, should we ban my hands? Education is waht we need not facist like banning of mere tools. Why is the left always so closed minded on this subject?

It leaves us with paper targets, and people. And you know what, sometimes people need killing! That's why we have the right to bear arms!

Sure sometimes people need killing. But I don't think an average citizen needs to be the judge of who that is.

Your opinion is flawed. The statement made in the constitution was not meant as a qualifying statement. It was not intended to say "so long as it is needed..." it was a statement of fact. A well regulated militia is, always has been, and always will be necessary to the security of a free state!

Not anymore!

Liberal hippy fucking non-sense... It is bullshit like this that only makes me want to get out of the military more. What the fuck am I risking my life for? You people all want to just give your rights away... Well fuck it... You can give up your guns if you want, but if you come for mine, you'll have to kill me. But I am going to take out as many others as I can before you ever get near me... I always have, and always will support freedom first! SOCIALIST FACISM NEVER!