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Old 01-13-2006, 05:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
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The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
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1) Courts DO NOT recognize a right of the private citizen to bear arms.
You have been repeatedly challenged to show any court recognizing such a claimed right, but you consistently ignore the challenge.
This issue isn't even really being refuted in the courts, unless you can enlighten me as to any case which is promulgating a private citizen "right to bear arms" ideology.
Hey gun hater go to any gun store and look around. The gun haters would have demanded long ago that all guns be banned if they were not protected by the 2nd amend..
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Old 01-13-2006, 05:49 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Re: The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
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1) Courts DO NOT recognize a right of the private citizen to bear arms.
You have been repeatedly challenged to show any court recognizing such a claimed right, but you consistently ignore the challenge.
This issue isn't even really being refuted in the courts, unless you can enlighten me as to any case which is promulgating a private citizen "right to bear arms" ideology.
Hey gun hater go to any gun store and look around. The gun haters would have demanded long ago that all guns be banned if they were not protected by the 2nd amend..
Explain where in the 2nd amendment it allows citizens to own weapons? Considering only militias are mentioned in regards to bearing arms you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Old 01-13-2006, 05:58 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Re: The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
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Explain where in the 2nd amendment it allows citizens to own weapons?
Gee gun hater which part of the right of the people do you not understand?
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Explain where in the 2nd amendment it allows citizens to own weapons?
Gee gun hater which part of the right of the people do you not understand?
The right of the people in the militia in which the sentence is pertaining to. Once again I highlight what the sentence is pertaining to for you:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Not a well regulated citizen, a militia. You don't get to pick and choose. This isn't the bible after all. You Christian troll.
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Old 01-13-2006, 06:52 PM   #55 (permalink)
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The ol' guns don't kill people, people kill people bullshit.
No bullshit, just simple fact. Simple fact that gun haters like you cannot debunk.
Agreed, and the fact that people die is irrelevant. I could kill a man with my hands, should we ban my hands? Education is waht we need not facist like banning of mere tools. Why is the left always so closed minded on this subject?
What are we going to cut steak with?? Gotta ban knives as well!
Old 01-13-2006, 07:41 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Re: The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
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1) Courts DO NOT recognize a right of the private citizen to bear arms.
You have been repeatedly challenged to show any court recognizing such a claimed right, but you consistently ignore the challenge.
This issue isn't even really being refuted in the courts, unless you can enlighten me as to any case which is promulgating a private citizen "right to bear arms" ideology.
Hey gun hater go to any gun store and look around. The gun haters would have demanded long ago that all guns be banned if they were not protected by the 2nd amend..
It's amazing how you keep assuming hypothetical scenarios prove anything...
The thing you don't seem to realize is that whatever "gun haters" are out there are countered by the "gun nuts", like the NRA, who do their damndest to lobby against any gun control laws that are brought forward.

It's not the second amendment which stops "gun haters". It's the money and the lobbyist of the NRA.
If you believe that the 2nd amendment is the issue stopping "gun haters", show me ANY COURT CASE where the courts used the 2nd amendment to overturn laws passed by "gun haters" on gun control.
Like your AWB issue. Can you show me any court ruling which has even hinted that the 2nd amendment makes AWB unconstitutional?

You bandy around phrases like "perversion" and "gun hater" like they actually help to formulate good counter-arguments instead of revealing your own limitations.
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And of course, you completely avoided this point again.
Go figure...

2) You repeatedly misrepresent me and the statements of the court.
Nobody is saying that there is a right to own weaponry that the military uses. Miller said nothing of the sort.

The way you cut and paste my response demonstrates that you are trying to misrepresent my clear statements. If you continue in arguing against things that aren't said, there is no point in trying to continue in a battle of wits with the unarmed.

But I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that you'll be making some stupid statement in the future about how "Miller" said something it clearly did not...
Old 01-14-2006, 09:15 AM   #57 (permalink)
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The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
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The right of the people in the militia in which the sentence is pertaining to.
Well gun hater the 2nd amend does not say what you claim. Nowhere does the 2nd amend say a person must be in a militia to bear arms.
It simply states and this is the hard part for gun haters to comprehend “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.
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You don't get to pick and choose.
Well gun hater you are the ones doing the picking and choosing. The gun haters claim the 2nd amend is a collective right while the other rights are individual rights. These words are used in some of the other rights the gun haters claim are individual rights. These words “the right of the people”.
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You have been repeatedly challenged to show any court recognizing such a claimed right, but you consistently ignore the challenge.
Well gun hater you have been told toe simple fact that people can purchase guns right now. And have been doing this since this country was founded.
The only time a law is challenged is when gun haters like you pass bad laws that infringe on a right. Then it takes time to remove these bad laws.
The late AWB was not renewed for one reason. Many of the elected officials that voted for it were not returned to their office in the next election because they were voted out of office.
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The thing you don't seem to realize is that whatever "gun haters" are out there are countered by the "gun nuts", like the NRA, who do their damndest to lobby against any gun control laws that are brought forward.
Well gun hater which group of people obey gun control laws? It is a simple question gun hater.
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Re: The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
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Well the 2nd amend does not say what you claim. Nowhere does the 2nd amend say a person must be in a militia to bear arms. It simply states and this is the hard part for gun haters to comprehend “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.
If you were right then explain why it would be necessary for militia to appear earlier in the sentence? Your point makes no sense.
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Old 01-14-2006, 10:19 AM   #59 (permalink)
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If you were right then explain why it would be necessary for militia to appear earlier in the sentence? Your point makes no sense.
Well gun hater I do claim to be able to read the minds of the founder fathers.
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If you were right then explain why it would be necessary for militia to appear earlier in the sentence? Your point makes no sense.
Well gun hater I do claim to be able to read the minds of the founder fathers.

Enough said.
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