You're right.
And what changed the legality of slavery? A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
And what changed the legality of women's rights? LEGISLATION and CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS.

You're only going to get an iron-clad "right" to bear arms if you get NEW legislation or an amendment which says so because the current one DOES NOT.


Nobody is saying that.
Why do you keep pretending that we are?
The right is guaranteed for people in the militia.
That doesn'tmean there is a "requirement" to be in a militia to own firearms.

I've already explained this to you, but you're obviously too slow to grasp it...


Is this where I reply with one of your stupid lines about incapability to answer a simple question?

It's not a "gun control law" that I am asking for an explanation on.
I don't know what you mean with the abbreviation "CCL".

But if you can't answer a simple question, then you've obviously conceded the point.


And they were who???


The point is that "God" and "gays" are a LOT more important than the "gun" issue.
A proven fact.
The poll I showed demonstrated the important issues of last election.
Your "guns" issue didn't even rate.


Those weren't online polls I quoted.
It was an online SOURCE quoting other polls which weren't online.
But of course, you can't acknowledge that either...


WHO did?
WHO supposedly lost because of their stance on firearms?
Your claims ain't proof of squat.


Already proven a lie.
The issue of "guns" didn't even rate as a blip on the radar in the minds of the voters in the last election.


The problem with online polls, which the ones I quoted were not, is that online polls have no controls. They cannot ensure the required randomness necessary for an accurate poll.

But once again, the polls I quoted were not "online" polls, so your response is inane and pointless.

No gun hater like the jim crow laws it just takes time to remove them.
WOW a gun hater using insults, what else would one expect from a person that wants to take rights away from people. You remind me of them there klan members screaming at black Americans when they were doing them there freedom marches. Hey gun hater wipe that spittle off of your puter screen.
Well gun hater the gun haters chant they want Americans to get training before they can have a gun. Apparently gun haters such as you feel you do not need to learn about guns and the legal terms used for gun laws before you debate about it. Maybe we should demand gun haters learn about guns and guns terms before they chant they want to ban them.
Well gun hater I do not want to be like you so I will not call you stupid for not knowing something.....................LOL
Well gun hater I do not want to be like you so I will not call you stupid for not knowing something.....................LOL
Well gun hater they would be the politicians that did not return to DC. If I recall there are republicans filling their old seats.
Well gun hater you do not hear the leftist spouting crap about these issue right now.
Well gun hater I sure can. The leftist claimed per the polls Americans wanted gun control. Apparently the people that take these polls do not vote because the leftist were voted out of office.
Oh and if you need proof which party is in control right now?

How much time?
Do you get the fact that the courts HAVE NEVER interpreted the second amendment like you do?

I've asked you to show me ANY court decision which agrees with you, and you just can't do it, can you.

Your thoughts on "taking time" are just wishful thinking...


It's amusing how you label me as a "gun hater" with every sentence you type, but you complain about others and "insults".
And predictably, you avoid the ACTUAL POINT made in favor of whining over the insult...

I'll just repeat the point, one amongst many, that you failed to address...

Nobody is saying that there is a requirement to be in a militia to bear arms.
Why do you keep pretending that we are?
The right is guaranteed for people in the militia.
That doesn't mean there is a "requirement" to be in a militia to own firearms.

Let me guess.
You're going to ignore it again...


Please get this through your skull.
There is no group of people that I was "hating" there.
It was just me pointing out your deficiencies.
If you think that you merit enough emotion to warrant "hate", you're sadly mistaken...


Who do you think you're kidding?
I've been giving MORE LEGAL ANALYSIS than you have.
All you have is repeating ONE PHRASE out of that amendment, and endlessly harping on it.
That's it.

I've given a SCOTUS judge and ruling which demonstrate the validity of my position.
It's inane to pretend that you have educated yourself on anything of merit with regards to the LEGAL aspect of this argument.

Names.

I'm asking for names.
It's painfully transparent that you have a tendency to exaggerate, so I'm asking you to name any politicians that you claim "did not return to DC" because they supported gun control laws.

Can you do that?
Or is this another question you're going to avoid answering?


And would that be further proof that "gun haters" are trying to eliminate all guns in this country?

Or are you just trying to contradict yourself again?


And yet when asked to name any of these "leftists" who were voted out of office because of their position on gun control, you can't do it...


The issue isn't which party is in control.
The issue is WHY that party is in control.
YOU want to assume that party is in control because of the public speaking out against gun control.

A ridiculous and unproven assumption.

Just to set the record straight, the polls repeatedly show that the public WANTS more restrictive gun control.
To be thorough, the polls also show that does not mean eliminating all guns except for police and similarly "authorized" personnel.

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

As one example...

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). Sept. 17-19, 2004. N=1,006 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"As you may know, the federal ban on assault weapons has expired, and certain types of guns that were banned in 1994 can now be legally sold again. Overall, are you satisfied that this law has expired, dissatisfied that it has expired, or does it not make a difference to you either way?"
%
Satisfied 12
Dissatisfied 61
No difference 25
Not sure 2

Sure gun hater and this is the very same line of crap they chanted before the last election. You know gun hater the one where the republicans replaced the democrats.

Again, WHY do you think that is important?
Can you show ANY REASON to believe that republicans replaced democrats because of gun control laws?

ANY reason at all?

Add this on as another challenge you keep avoiding...

Get it through your head.
The American public doesn't want unrestricted access to guns.
They WANT gun control.

Well gun hater the republicans did not run on gun control and they are in control right now.
Well gun hater your lame polls can claim whatever they want, the voters voted out gun control candidates.

Your problem gun hater is you feel if you spew this lie long enough people will buy it.

And yet another non-reply.
The fact that republicans and not democrats are in power now has nothing to do with their gun stances.

Guns are typically not a major issue in any election.


I renew my challenge that you actually show who was voted out, and subsequently show what their position was on gun control.

No matter how many times you try to obfuscate the issue, these people WERE NOT voted out because of their policy on gun control.

And in addition, now that Republicans are in power, precisely WHAT have they done to help reduce gun control?
Has any of the previously passed gun control legislation been repealed?
Has Anything happened to oppose gun control?


It's not a lie.
It's the truth.
Substantiated with research and facts.

Can you show me any real facts which would denote my statements as "lies"?
Of course you can't.
You work off of innuendo and lame assumptions.


And while we're at it, why don't we throw some more facts into the ring.
You love to harp on the fact that Republicans won the last election, and assume that means a support for opposing gun control.
But have you ever pulled your head out of your arse to ask where Bush actually stands on gun control???

"VPC Welcomes President Bush's Reaffirmation of Campaign Pledge to Support Reauthorization of Federal Assault Weapons Ban
WASHINGTON, DC— On the eve of the National Rifle Association's annual meeting, President Bush has kept his 2000 campaign promise and reaffirmed his support for the federal ban on assault weapons, Knight Ridder news service reported this past weekend. According to White House spokesperson Scott McClellan, "The President supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law."
....
Bush's support for the ban has been longstanding. In October 2000, Bush spokesperson Ray Sullivan told Salon magazine that he would expect then-candidate Bush to reauthorize the ban. That position was reiterated by John Ashcroft during his confirmation hearings on January 17, 2001, when he said, "It is my understanding that the president-elect of the United States has indicated his clear support for extending the assault weapon ban, and I would be pleased to move forward that position, and to support that as a policy of this president, and as a policy of the Justice Department." "
http://www.vpc.org/press/0304bush.htm

Yeah. THIS is what the voting public VOTED FOR...
A candidate who PLEDGED TO EXTEND the federal assault weapons ban.

How do Democrats and Republicans differ on gun control?
What are the latest developments in the U.S. gun control controversy?

Gun control was not a major issue in the 2004 Presidential campaign. The percentage of Americans who consider "gun control" as an important issue has declined from 3% to 1%. Fewer Americans are supportive of gun control in general and handgun control in particular. While the issue has dropped in overall public concern, it remains what politicians consider a "wedge issue" as many opponents of gun control are passionate about their right to unfettered gun ownership and may make voting decisions on this issue alone. Gun control opponents raise far more money than do gun control advocates. The most immediate controversy concerns whether the current ban on the purchase of assault weapons should expire. In a largely partisan vote, the Senate voted to extend the assault weapon ban in March 2004. The House has not yet voted on the issue. The 2004 Democratic platform affirms the 2nd Amendment right of Americans to own weapons while supporting the extension of the assault weapon ban and closing the "gun show" loophole. The Republican Platform contains a strong affirmation of the right to own guns. The platform supports instant background checks and the timely destruction of gun purchase records.


How do Democrats and Republicans differ on gun control?

Generally, Democrats support gun control proposals and Republicans do not although the votes on the Brady bill in 1993 show that this is not a strictly partisan issue. The partisan divide on this issue is somewhat reflected by public opinion. Democrats overwhelmingly support gun control and Republicans are divided on the issue. During the 2000 Presidential campaign, President Bush indicated his support for a trigger lock requirement, raising the age limit, and requiring background checks at gun shows. But no legislation on these issues has been initiated by the White House. In 1999 the Senate narrowly voted to regulate gun shows and more substantially supported a measure for trigger locks but no action was taken by the House with respect to either proposal. In April 2004, the Senate again voted for handgun locks but the House has not yet considered the measure.
http://www.newsbatch.com/guncontrol.htm

Well gun hater there is no federal trigger lock law, the age limit has stayed the same on the federal level, and on a federal level all ffl holders at gun shows do background checks as required under federal law.