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Old 10-07-2007, 12:56 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Ever heard of Ghandi?? Apprently not
I remember Ghandi, he was a very popular leader who practiced non-violence, since he was well known to many and followed by the press he was relatively safe in his political movement as well as popular.

But I also recall that as he was taking his nightly walk one night, he was assassinated. So how did non-violence work out for him?????? Personally I would have preferred being armed and defending my life, however, I also support his decision to hold fast to his principle and give his own life for it.

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Old 10-07-2007, 01:07 PM   #122 (permalink)
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The simple fact of the matter is, gun control doesn't stop acts of violence used by criminals using guns as their perferred weapon of choice...All gun control laws do is endanger the lives of law abiding citizens and deny them the means to protect themselves from the criminals who gain their weapons illegally.

Gun control laws don't stop crimes. It just encourages more crime by creating more unarmed victims for the criminals to abuse.




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Old 10-07-2007, 01:12 PM   #123 (permalink)
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I remember Ghandi, he was a very popular leader who practiced non-violence, since he was well known to many and followed by the press he was relatively safe in his political movement as well as popular.

But I also recall that as he was taking his nightly walk one night, he was assassinated. So how did non-violence work out for him?????? Personally I would have preferred being armed and defending my life, however, I also support his decision to hold fast to his principle and give his own life for it.

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If Ghandi had attempted to liberate India from the British through violent means, he would have been labeled a terrorist and a traitor to the crown. His life would most likely have been ended by a violent act anyway. And India would have probably been under British rule for at least another generation -- if not longer.

Yes, he was killed by an armed assailant but he freed his country without ever taking another human life.

We all die eventually. And I think that how we live is much more important that when we die. I would say non-violence worked out for Ghandi pretty well.
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Old 10-07-2007, 01:47 PM   #124 (permalink)
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The simple fact of the matter is, gun control doesn't stop acts of violence used by criminals using guns as their perferred weapon of choice...All gun control laws do is endanger the lives of law abiding citizens and deny them the means to protect themselves from the criminals who gain their weapons illegally.

Gun control laws don't stop crimes. It just encourages more crime by creating more unarmed victims for the criminals to abuse.
You are correct, Ali. It cannot stop crime- at best it could do is limit the tool or tools used by the criminal. Remember, once the decision was made to commit the crime, the gun only will be used as a tool; that's it. By the way, glad to hear from you! I was starting to worry. How are things going?
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The simple fact of the matter is, gun control doesn't stop acts of violence used by criminals using guns as their perferred weapon of choice...All gun control laws do is endanger the lives of law abiding citizens and deny them the means to protect themselves from the criminals who gain their weapons illegally.

Gun control laws don't stop crimes. It just encourages more crime by creating more unarmed victims for the criminals to abuse.
Of course, the NRA would have something to say about gun control.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:13 PM   #126 (permalink)
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If Ghandi had attempted to liberate India from the British through violent means, he would have been labeled a terrorist and a traitor to the crown. His life would most likely have been ended by a violent act anyway. And India would have probably been under British rule for at least another generation -- if not longer.

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And a damn sight better place India would have been!

Still, we managed to create the world's largest democracy, and the world's largest railway network.

And we taught Indians to speak English and to love cricket.

Not a bad record in less than 200 years.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:15 PM   #127 (permalink)
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The simple fact of the matter is, gun control doesn't stop acts of violence used by criminals using guns as their perferred weapon of choice...All gun control laws do is endanger the lives of law abiding citizens and deny them the means to protect themselves from the criminals who gain their weapons illegally.

Gun control laws don't stop crimes. It just encourages more crime by creating more unarmed victims for the criminals to abuse.

So how come every other industrialised nation WITH gun laws has far fewer gun crimes and hugely fewer murders???

Could there possibly be some connection Ali?

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Gary, as noted a few post back, I think there something to that fact that the areas in the U.S. with the strictest gun control also have the highest murder rates.
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Gary, as noted a few post back, I think there something to that fact that the areas in the U.S. with the strictest gun control also have the highest murder rates.
Like Washington DC?

But when you consider how many gun-available states are within a 45 minute drive it's a moot point.

Also states with gun laws tend to have higher populations.
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Gary, as noted a few post back, I think there something to that fact that the areas in the U.S. with the strictest gun control also have the highest murder rates.
I don't think that's true, Myt.

This website gives homicides by state:

Bureau of Justice Statistics Home page

Massachusetts had an average of 155 homicides per year between 2000 and 2005. It has a population of 6.4m. That's about 24 homicides per million population per year. Connecticut had about 29.

Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, California and Texas all had about 60 (twice New England's rate), and Louisiana had 120 homicides per million per year (4 times the New England rate).

Wyoming was also pretty low - 24 homicides per million population per year - same as Massachusetts; however, it's not a densely populated state; there are more people in Boston than there are in the whole of Wyoming - I doubt there's much "inner city" crime there!

So the states like the New England ones that do have stricter gun control tend to have lower rates, even though they're pretty densely populated states. Even New York only has a rate of 48 homicides per million per year - higher than New England, but a lot lower than many states.
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