Defending the Truth

Switchbuilder; I don't see the correlation between immigration and the behavior mentioned above. Personally, I agree with the statement that Chris 967 made about responsible gun ownership. Jefferson, you also made a good. point. Alcohol and guns are a very deadly serious combination. I believe, again; that while the Second Amendment to the Constitution grants us the right to posess firearms; we also have a responsibility to American society to behave reponsibly with or around guns If any of us own guns (or plan to), I think that the resposibilities that are attendant to this right must apply. Firing guns into the air no matter what the reason -or holiday for that matter-was just stupid , irresponsible behavior and the miscreant should be prosecuted accordingly.
I don't believe that guns kill people. A human being pulled the trigger.and should be penalized to the maximum of the law.A zealous prosecutor trying to make for themselves could make a case here for attempted murder. If the baby died; second degree murder would be the charge.

Well let me be More Clear for you , 95 % of the Crime Rate in the southern USA is done by Illegal's Be it Mexicans , Aisains or Islamic , Look at the News , I know Nothing about this particular Crime but I would Bet Money it was perpetrated By an Illegal Immigrant , Most of the folks here that are legaly here are trying to do things right have enough sense Not to Be Idiots , Break laws of this country and try to Live upright Lives , I have nothing against those folks I also have a Proiblem with hyfinated Americans , you either American or your Not If you are Learn the damn language and Obey the laws If not Hit the trail fly in a plain or get back accross the river but get the hell out , T

Switchbuilder, please cite your source for the crime rate statistic you mention.

I'd bet money that whoever did the shooting was irresponsible, and likely does not know the consequences of their action.

Can anyone think of a good way to get the word out about the consequences of shooting a gun into the air?

Switchbuilder; I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Chris 967's next post. I have never come across a source for your crime statistic. Are you saying that Americans (legal, as you put it) do not commit these crimes? Many of the illegal gun sales are done by Americans at these flea markets and other places. The falsification of the paperwork involved definitely indicates a dishonest American citizen's involvement.
It is clear to me that you have something to vent about illegal immigration. That's fine; but please don't think that American citizens do not commit crimes such as this one or any other. A person's nationality does not make him (or her) above breaking the law. I will check the Immigration forum to hopefully find your posts there on that issue.

I apologize if I sound like a gun-hater here ( I am definitely not); but the behavior in this case was not only stupid and irresponsible, it was criminal. This is the sort of incident that we need to make an example of by severely punishing the offender.

No problem, nuttyjoe. I dislike guns myself, but if someone is going to have one, they better know how to use it responsibly. And know the applicable laws.

How do we find the guilty person to punish them?

Chris; the crime in this case is going to have to start being investigated at the sale of the ammunition. if the bullet that struck the baby can be recovered intact (not always so) serial numbers and lot numbers can be traced to the sale. The caliber of the bullet will easily pinpoint the type of gun used to fire it. This sounds like easy investigative procedure; but is long and tedious. Millions of rounds of ammunition are sold each year; and the recordkeeping required of these sales can sometimes be creative to suit the seller's or purchaser's needs.
However, I still stand by my original statement: that this crime was a stupid, irresponsible act. Acts such as this are why people are fighting to overturn the Second Amendment. I will always believe that the right to posess firearms carries with it the resposibility to use the firearm in a safe manner. We must remember the immutable fact that guns only have one purpose on this earth. They were developed simply to kill- whether the intended target be an animal while hunting; or a man.
I'll step off the soapbox now. This is a hot issue with me, and I could rail incessantly on about it. Thanks for understanding my point of view.

Cool! I didn't know ammunition had serial numbers and lot numbers. I had thought maybe we should require owners' name/ID to be inscribed on each and every bullet. Silly me. Hopefully they were able to recover the bullet.

Why is it that nearly every time some posts to this forum (or any other for that matter)somebody else tries to put a political label on them? Is Chris967 or anybody else not capable of independent thought? Why must his thoughts be Republican, Democratic, Conservatite, or Liberal? Can't they just be his for his own reasons? Please, people- leave the political agendas for the media pundits.