Defending the Truth

What do you mean by that?

What do you call it when 50% of the population causes 90% of the crime? The proportion of male to female criminals is much worse than black to white. Not to mention men have a near monopoly in child predation.

I am saying that the people who are the most liberal are gnerally the people who have led more priviledged/sheltered lives, far away from the rigors and realities of life in the lower class. Typically people who have more experience with black people are more racist than those who live a life sheltered from them and only see them on tv or in passing. Racism isn't usually born of ignorance or really even reciprocated through generations, most people develop their own racisms through life experience. It is easy to be compassionate from afar.... but when you have experiential reasons for not being compassionate towards another persons situation it makes you seem callous.

Examples: I grew up as a poor white kid. We had no help, no government aid, and no compassion from the burgeoning liberal population. Yet we worked hard and smart, we got an education, and did whatever it took to be succesfull. So how was it any easier for us than it would be for a black family? Exactly what priviledges where reserved for us because of the color of our skin? And most importantly, if we could do it, then why the fuck can't anyone else? I always grew up in a mixed neighborhood and the only problems caused were by black kids. From animal cruelty, to burglury, to having to carry a knife when I was 12 to walk around my own neighborood to keep from getting jumped by roving bands of 10-15 kids, for the egregious offense of being white. Also, in my town, the vast majority of all violent crime is perpetuated by black people and we see this first hand. This had an immense affect on my perspective of the world in general, whereas a kid from rhode island, who has never actually met a black person, would call me a bigot , just because I allowed my experiences to shape my opinions. I also love animals immensely, and in the black community animals are treated more like possessions than members of the family, My neighbors used to abuse their dogs and that had a major impact on me as a child, yet as i grew older I found that the same ideals were harbored by basically every black person I met: the michael vick case is a good addendum to that. It is easy to be PC when you don't have any experience to draw from, but what if your experiences are contrary to what we are told to believe? The whole point to this meandering diatribe was that when you don't have any experience with people of other races/cultures it is really easy not to harbor any preconceptions about them. To someone from an all-white state like rhode island there is no reason to dis-believe political correctness because ideologically it makes sense, but how am I to reconcile that with my own life experience. I am not as utterly bigoted as I seem to be, but when I am presented with what I perceive to be the falsehoods of political correctness I have little recourse other than to bring up counter-points that aren't socially eacceptable to express. Thusly, I feel like I am towing the line for anyone who dares speak against the thought control that is political correctness. I just feel that living by experience and keeping an open mind is always going to be more beneficial than adhering to any pre-conceived philosphy(white supremacy,political correctness, liberalism, neo-conservativism). I fully understand that every man is created equal with the choice of what to make of himself and that every person is unique and someone's phenotype has nothing to do with the content of their character. While at the same time I feel that I should be able to believe whatever my life experience dictates that I believe for no other reason than that it is convenient or most beneficial to my condition. To me , that means to be wary of trusting black people because they are more likely to be hustlers and criminals. I dont view this as an absolute rule however and have positive relationships with many black people. Having so many negative experiences with black people however has colored my world perspective so that while a more liberal soul might right off being robbed or hustled by one individual who happens to be black , I would look on it as symptomatic of the greater problem of crime in the black community. Similarly, I have not had as much contact with mexicans , every mexican I have ever met has been a hard-working decent person, so that is the generalization that I make about mexicans. having a few negative experiences with individual mexicans in my adult life would probably make me less likely to have bias against them than someone who had grown up in an area where there are a high population of illegal immigrants who cause many of the problems in that area. Someone who grew up in a community with more of an immigration problem might have a different outlook and I couldn't fault them for that. I just don't understand why we can't talk about these facts, it seems like that would be beneficial to everyone. It seems more racist to me not to talk about racial issues and to allow the black community to spiral further out of control . That is the real racism, allowing a problem to go unabetted because it can't be talked about.

Now that I am wrapping up the encyclopedia volume that this post has become I just have to say that consistent experiences can lead to generalizations ,generalizations can lead to stereotypes, and stereotypes lead to bigotry. The only way to end the cycle is allow for open discussion without the current trend of politically correct mcarthyism.

fxashun : You raise an interesting issue that I haven't really thought about, and a worthy counterpoint. I am skeptical of those numbers,where did you get them from? And even if they are technically true, how many men who get hit by their wives/girlfriends call the cops for it as opposed to the other way around? There are a LOT of female child predators out there as evidenced by all the teacher scandals, but also, how many young boys are going to tell on someone who is giving them p###y? Also, just as many women as men do drugs easily. A lot of women also kill their children, and shoot their lovers, and all that crap. A lot of men commit crimes because of their physical superiority over their victims, making crimes of convenience more convenient. Guys are also still expected to make the income for their families so they are more involved in selling drugs? The court system seems more eager to take a womans word over a mans and have more compassion for them, also men are more likely to be targeted as criminals by law enforcement. Also in any sort of altercation the man is going to generally step up and get physical. And i'm sure having a nutsack full of testosterone doesn't help deter crimes of passion either. I am not making excuses as to why guys commit more crime, just trying to conjure up some possible explanations (some of them are stretching it pretty far into the realm of liberal excuses)lol. I really dont think that there is an actual 90/10 ratio as far as crime goes, but I wouldnt be too suprised if there was. But you helped illustrate my point that while it is acceptable to talk about crime as related to gender, it is NEVER ok to talk about it as it relates to race. That is my point, why doesn't anyone talk about it? You can talk about racial profiling and the disproportionate amount of blacks in the system, but you can't talk about why. I just can't understand it.

2004 murder statistics...
10,000 male offenders vs. 1100 female.

With gender mix being right around 50% each. The actual "crime" rate wasn't 90%, but since this is a "guns guns guns" thread, I think concentrating on murder is appropriate.

I know some women molest, but it is scientifically proven that men are more likely to do so, and are more aggressive by nature. 90% means if 100 men molest, that still leaves room for 10 females.

Another crazy stat is the number of male victims, and black victims. Sad really.

Actually, I used to live in the "inner city". I think these numbers indicate the effect that poverty,drugs, and gangs have on the black community. I ain't got the answer of how to fix the life of a man who started f'ing it up before he became a teenager though. Some people start a life of crime and have pretty much ended any chance of anything productive while they are still minors.

Not to mention dropping kids all over town. You shoot yourself in the foot when 40-50% of your income will have to go to the various kids you have created all over the place. I make no excuses for the rates, just that I grew up around it and didn't fall into the trap, but I don't want to be included in that stereotype. I want to stay a part of the 60% of black men that WON'T end up in prison.