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Old 08-02-2005, 01:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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it is not the gun companies fault that people go out and shoot people but when they sell guns like semi automatics or even automatics, which aren't used for hunting, shootings of any kind are their fault because of those types of guns.

but it is still the gun owners decision to go out and shoot up the victims. so im kind of confused and in the middle on this one.

i think one of the moderators should continue this discussion in another forum.
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Old 08-02-2005, 01:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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it is not the gun companies fault that people go out and shoot people but when they sell guns like semi automatics or even automatics, which aren't used for hunting, shootings of any kind are their fault because of those types of guns.

but it is still the gun owners decision to go out and shoot up the victims. so im kind of confused and in the middle on this one.

i think one of the moderators should continue this discussion in another forum.
I think it is ridiculous they sell guns with such destructive capability such as a semi automatic. But I put none of the blame on the gun company, they cannot be responsible for the idiots that handle their guns... Its a ridiculous argument.
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Old 08-02-2005, 01:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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it is not the gun companies fault that people go out and shoot people but when they sell guns like semi automatics or even automatics, which aren't used for hunting, shootings of any kind are their fault because of those types of guns.

but it is still the gun owners decision to go out and shoot up the victims. so im kind of confused and in the middle on this one.

i think one of the moderators should continue this discussion in another forum.
I think it is ridiculous they sell guns with such destructive capability such as a semi automatic. But I put none of the blame on the gun company, they cannot be responsible for the idiots that handle their guns... Its a ridiculous argument.

Nations with better gun control than America have less violent crime. Makes sense to me.
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Old 08-02-2005, 01:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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it is not the gun companies fault that people go out and shoot people but when they sell guns like semi automatics or even automatics, which aren't used for hunting, shootings of any kind are their fault because of those types of guns.

but it is still the gun owners decision to go out and shoot up the victims. so im kind of confused and in the middle on this one.

i think one of the moderators should continue this discussion in another forum.
I think it is ridiculous they sell guns with such destructive capability such as a semi automatic. But I put none of the blame on the gun company, they cannot be responsible for the idiots that handle their guns... Its a ridiculous argument.

Nations with better gun control than America have less violent crime. Makes sense to me.
How? Violence has been engraved in our culture, the mass believe that they should carry a gun around for protection doing nomore than supporting their right to bare arms. You cannot blame the gun companies for the decisions that their buyers make.
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it is not the gun companies fault that people go out and shoot people but when they sell guns like semi automatics or even automatics, which aren't used for hunting, shootings of any kind are their fault because of those types of guns.

but it is still the gun owners decision to go out and shoot up the victims. so im kind of confused and in the middle on this one.

i think one of the moderators should continue this discussion in another forum.
I think it is ridiculous they sell guns with such destructive capability such as a semi automatic. But I put none of the blame on the gun company, they cannot be responsible for the idiots that handle their guns... Its a ridiculous argument.

Nations with better gun control than America have less violent crime. Makes sense to me.
How? Violence has been engraved in our culture, the mass believe that they should carry a gun around for protection doing nomore than supporting their right to bare arms. You cannot blame the gun companies for the decisions that their buyers make.
The gun companies are so far up our governments ass that it is hard not to blame them. But I blame our lazy ass populous more for letting them be there in the first place.
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Old 08-02-2005, 01:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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it is not the gun companies fault that people go out and shoot people but when they sell guns like semi automatics or even automatics, which aren't used for hunting, shootings of any kind are their fault because of those types of guns.

but it is still the gun owners decision to go out and shoot up the victims. so im kind of confused and in the middle on this one.

i think one of the moderators should continue this discussion in another forum.
I think it is ridiculous they sell guns with such destructive capability such as a semi automatic. But I put none of the blame on the gun company, they cannot be responsible for the idiots that handle their guns... Its a ridiculous argument.

Nations with better gun control than America have less violent crime. Makes sense to me.
How? Violence has been engraved in our culture, the mass believe that they should carry a gun around for protection doing nomore than supporting their right to bare arms. You cannot blame the gun companies for the decisions that their buyers make.
The gun companies are so far up our governments ass that it is hard not to blame them. But I blame our lazy ass populous more for letting them be there in the first place.
So I take it, you disagree with our right to bare arms?

I have never held a gun in my life but am not going to take away someones right to do so. Even if we were to abolish guns, gangs would have no problem getting them.

But I highly agree with you Hev, that American gun control is by FAR the worse in the world and we do need to do something to fix it. But is there another way to attack the issue other than total extinction of guns in the U.S.?
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In retrospect guns are no more dangerous than, idiots behind the wheel, drinking, smoking, and over eating. So in that case do we do something about these problems also?
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it is not the gun companies fault that people go out and shoot people but when they sell guns like semi automatics or even automatics, which aren't used for hunting, shootings of any kind are their fault because of those types of guns.
I disagree, I am stumpt why they would ever sell some one a semi-automatic but you cannot blame the stupidity on the gun company.
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it is not the gun companies fault that people go out and shoot people but when they sell guns like semi automatics or even automatics, which aren't used for hunting, shootings of any kind are their fault because of those types of guns.

but it is still the gun owners decision to go out and shoot up the victims. so im kind of confused and in the middle on this one.

i think one of the moderators should continue this discussion in another forum.
I think it is ridiculous they sell guns with such destructive capability such as a semi automatic. But I put none of the blame on the gun company, they cannot be responsible for the idiots that handle their guns... Its a ridiculous argument.
Wait a minute. I think you mean fully automatic (which they don't sell), you can not possibly mean semi-automatic. Do you know what a semi automatic is?
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it is not the gun companies fault that people go out and shoot people but when they sell guns like semi automatics or even automatics, which aren't used for hunting, shootings of any kind are their fault because of those types of guns.

but it is still the gun owners decision to go out and shoot up the victims. so im kind of confused and in the middle on this one.

i think one of the moderators should continue this discussion in another forum.
I think it is ridiculous they sell guns with such destructive capability such as a semi automatic. But I put none of the blame on the gun company, they cannot be responsible for the idiots that handle their guns... Its a ridiculous argument.

Nations with better gun control than America have less violent crime. Makes sense to me.
That does not mean we have to go banning tools, that means we need to better educate the users of those tools.
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