hevusa wrote:So, what does that mean?

Lidwen Wraith wrote:I am recalling a few years back I saw a program on cable about a woman who was having a problem with an abusive husband. It was one of those real life incident programs. She had two small children. Each time she left her husband, he would come pleading for her return, and she would go back to him. Finally, after being again beaten, she left him and went to the court and got a restraining order. When he again appeared, her sister called the police. They came and arrested him. He vowed to kill her. She appeared on a news program with her face swollen, eyes blackened, it was a pitiful sight. She said: "He said he is going to kill me. I don't want to die, I've got kids to raise." It was really sad to see.

He got let out of jail on a weekend release, and nobody told her. He got a shotgun and went looking for. When he found her, she was in a kitchen. He raised the shotgun to fire and she ducked and ran outside. He fired at her twice, and missed. He caught her out on the front lawn and beat her to death with the shotgun. The shotgun was broken into pieces by his efforts. A neighbor from across the street ran over to her to try to intervene, but she was so badly beaten that she died.

You said: That's because you don't really want to "buy a bag of marijuana".


I surely do!

hevusa wrote:Oh, man, that really cracked me up...

So, where do we go from here?

You know, if you really wanted "a bag of marijuana", you could get one.

Not legally.

Hello Trouble !

In one sense yes, in another sense no. Those tanks do not drive themselves.

Yes, I think if we had a total welfare state, the threat of harm from fellow citizens would be significantly reduced. However, your theory does not take into account sociopathy, competition for sexual partners, or psychotic behavior...all of which exist and are exacerbated by some of the conditions of modern life.

And I still disagree that an armed populace has no power against a corrupt government just because the government has tanks. Again, people drive those tanks and do not spend 24/7 inside them.
Your post actually gives me the heebees; you write as though we are now hobbled slaves of the government just because of technology.

Are you confusing the USA with Sweden, perhaps?
Many people concur that the government should do some or all of those things but it is certainly not part of our nation's heritage. Nowhere in any of the documents of this country does it stipulate the things that you wrote.

The weapons have changed but the program remains the same. And the program is what I'm talking about here.

Time out. "Take the law into their own hands"
??
That was NOT the issue. Taking the law into their own hands would be looting stores to get the food and supplies they needed. And they did that, and certainly I understand their doing that.
But
That was not what I was talking about. I was talking about some of them running around raping the young girls, of which there was a significant incidence.
I brought that up to counter your point that people's behavior cannot be controlled with violence and guns - WRONG. If cops had been there, with guns, those young girls would have been protected.

On the contrary they must be applied simultaneously.

Mind if I don't?

I have not ONCE in this conversation even mentioned the word "evil".
There is not room here to go into an exhaustive dissertation on what causes people to commit hideously cruel acts upon other people and animals.
But they do.
And the perpetrators are by no means always "poor".
I continue to hope for the best as regards this world and every creature within it, hkjabwa. But I do not kid myself that everyone wants to be good. MOST people want to be good. That is as good as it gets at the present time.
And everything that applies to 'people' applies to governments too.

Thanks again for a good discussion; I'll look forward to your complete capitulation by and by

Be back in awhile.

hevusa wrote:Is that what is stopping you from obtaining "a bag of marijuana"?

That is what is stopping me from buying a bag of marijuana that is priced fairly.

Cheeky lady... i'll get you yet !!!!

From all sorts of crooks and kooks including the Government...

We have to have Guns to keep our liberty, and that is already down the toilet in the commie state we now live within...

we have guns to protect us from Big Brother

And they do deter crime...

Every household should have one, it's the biblical Law of Jesus.

Don't love Jesus, then don't own a weapon.