Defending the Truth
Articles | Interviews | Politicians | Groups | Arcade | Experience | Donate
  Defending the Truth > Political Issues > Health Care

Health Care Debate and defend your thoughts on the current health care system. Compare and contrast the current health care system of the US to other countries.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-14-2007, 03:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
Senator
 
Katczinsky's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Columbus, OH
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,687
Country:
Points: 14,509, Level: 78
Points: 14,509, Level: 78 Points: 14,509, Level: 78 Points: 14,509, Level: 78
Level up: 15%, 341 Points needed
Level up: 15% Level up: 15% Level up: 15%
Activity: 11%
Activity: 11% Activity: 11% Activity: 11%
Send a message via AIM to Katczinsky
Katczinsky is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds View Post
Michael declined 3 years of invites to CNN?? Hmmm..He seems to change the subject as soon as he hears that.
I believe it was only a couple times. But I would have also. Especially if CNN wasn't being responsible and was skewing the facts in an effort to bow down to popularity polls (obviously now it's kosher for them to talk badly about Bush).
"If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche

Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72
Sponsored Links
Old 07-16-2007, 12:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Moderator
 
hevusa's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Seattle (grew up around D.C.)
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,876
Country:
Points: 28,493, Level: 99
Points: 28,493, Level: 99 Points: 28,493, Level: 99 Points: 28,493, Level: 99
Level up: 9%, 1,507 Points needed
Level up: 9% Level up: 9% Level up: 9%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
hevusa is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Moore decided not to do ANY interviews while working on Sicko.
--- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope ---

There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence.
Old 07-16-2007, 12:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
Partisan
Premium Member
 
garysher's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,695
Country:
Points: 34,629, Level: 100
Points: 34,629, Level: 100 Points: 34,629, Level: 100 Points: 34,629, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
garysher is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds View Post
Michael declined 3 years of invites to CNN?? Hmmm..He seems to change the subject as soon as he hears that.
Perhaps because he didn't believe he would get a fair hearing.

Or perhaps because he felt the rest of the time CNN would be trying to shoot him down unfairly.

The same reason why the Democratic Presidential candidates refused to hold a debate on FOX
[IMG][/IMG]

Doggone it darn right you betcha bless your heart maverick
Old 07-20-2007, 04:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
Council Member
 
forester814's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chicago 'burbs
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,417
Country:
Points: 12,264, Level: 72
Points: 12,264, Level: 72 Points: 12,264, Level: 72 Points: 12,264, Level: 72
Level up: 54%, 186 Points needed
Level up: 54% Level up: 54% Level up: 54%
Activity: 30%
Activity: 30% Activity: 30% Activity: 30%
Send a message via Yahoo to forester814
forester814 is offline
Reply With Quote
 
This just in from Michael Moore's mailing list... Go see the movie this weekend, and enter a drawing to win a trip to London, Paris, or Toronto.

===========

Thursday, July 19th, 2007

Friends,

Good news! "Sicko," after less than three weeks in national release, has become one of the top five grossing documentaries of all time! So, this coming weekend, the distributor is expanding the movie by opening it in nearly 500 new theaters in small cities all over the country (for a total of nearly 1,200 screens nationwide)! From Rapid City to Carson City, from Gettysburg to Pearl Harbor, from Juneau to Battle Creek -- they're all getting "Sicko" tomorrow (Friday). Scores of cities that never have a documentary come to their local theater will now be able to see this one. It's happening all thanks to you who live in the larger cities and have supported "Sicko" so strongly. It's led the studio to say, "Let's make more prints and ship them to Oshkosh (and Beaverton and Brattleboro and Sault Ste. Marie and...)." The entire country goes "Sicko" in less than 48 hours! (Check here for the complete list of theaters showing "Sicko" in North America.)

So, friends, this is it. This is the weekend to go see "Sicko" if you haven't seen it. I get a lot of letters from people saying they plan to "get around" to seeing it "soon." Well, soon is here! Trying to get theaters to give us screens when we are up against huge summer blockbusters is an almost impossible task. "Sicko" won't be around forever. And if you're waiting for the DVD, ask anyone who's seen "Sicko" -- this is a movie you want to see with a crowd of people in a theater.

So let's pack the movie houses this weekend! Send an email to everyone you know, call your friends and tell them, "It's 'Sicko' Night in America!"

And, to show my thanks to all of you who'll go see "Sicko" this weekend, I'm going to send one of you and a guest on a free weekend to the universal health care country of your choice! That's right. You'll get to pick one of the three industrialized countries featured in the movie where, if you get sick, you get help for free, no matter who you are. All you have to do is send us your ticket stub (make sure it says "Sicko" on it and has the name of the theater and this weekend's date on it -- Friday, Saturday or Sunday - July 20th, 21st, 22nd). Attach the stub to a piece of paper with your name, address, phone number and email and send it to: 'Sicko' Night in America, 888c 8th Avenue, Suite 443, New York, NY 10019. (Yes, you have to use that old 18th century device called the U.S. Postal Service, and it has to be postmarked on or by Tuesday, July 24th). First prize is a weekend in the city of your choice: Paris, London or Toronto. This includes airfare, hotel, meals and, most exciting, a representative from their fine universal health care system who will give you a personal tour so you can see how they treat their fellow citizens. You'll meet people who pay nothing for college and citizens who are in the fourth week of their six-week paid vacation. Oh, and you'll have time to see the Eiffel Tower, Big Ben or whatever they have in Toronto that is old and tall. (If you don't have a passport, we'll pay for that, too!)

Canadians who are reading this -- you're probably thinking, "Hey, what about us? Where do we get to go?" Quit complaining! You're already there! But just to make it up to you -- and to prove we don't hold it against you for smugly walking out of a hospital with the same amount of money in your wallet that you went in with -- we'll let you participate in the drawing, too.

Thanks again to everyone who has gone to see "Sicko." Take a friend or two this weekend and celebrate "'Sicko' Night in America."

Yours,
Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com
Old 07-20-2007, 05:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
Citizen
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 69
Points: 3,126, Level: 34
Points: 3,126, Level: 34 Points: 3,126, Level: 34 Points: 3,126, Level: 34
Level up: 51%, 74 Points needed
Level up: 51% Level up: 51% Level up: 51%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
playfullheart is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Michael declined 3 years of invites to CNN?? Hmmm..He seems to change the subject as soon as he hears that.

Yeah, and did you notice that all he did is get emotional, ranting, and not one reasonable reply was given in a civil debate? Just alot of emotional garbish that pulls at your heart strings, and says nothing else. Baloney. It gets people excited, and solves nothing.
Old 07-21-2007, 01:26 PM   #16 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Moderator
 
hevusa's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Seattle (grew up around D.C.)
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,876
Country:
Points: 28,493, Level: 99
Points: 28,493, Level: 99 Points: 28,493, Level: 99 Points: 28,493, Level: 99
Level up: 9%, 1,507 Points needed
Level up: 9% Level up: 9% Level up: 9%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
hevusa is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Moore did not do ANY INTERVIEWS ANYWHERE during the 3 years or so he worked on Sicko, CNN included.

WTF!
--- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope ---

There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence.
Old 07-24-2007, 10:59 AM   #17 (permalink)
Citizen
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 69
Points: 3,126, Level: 34
Points: 3,126, Level: 34 Points: 3,126, Level: 34 Points: 3,126, Level: 34
Level up: 51%, 74 Points needed
Level up: 51% Level up: 51% Level up: 51%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
playfullheart is offline
Reply With Quote
Lightbulb Micheal Moore is too darn dramatic!
Micheal Moore never let anyone challenge or question anything he talked about, he simply sucked up all the oxygen. No one could say a word or question anything he claims, and then demands that he be excepted carte blanche. Read the article below by Brent Bozell.

Michael Moore vs. CNN
by L. Brent Bozell III

Posted: 07/18/2007 Print This
Forward
Feedback
Digg This!
Subscribe
Sponsored By:

Let's be blunt: Michael Moore is one ungrateful leftist hack. CNN had showered him with three hours and 10 minutes of face time (repeats included) on "Larry King Live" and "The Situation Room," helping him sell his latest socialist film, "Sicko." That kind of attention would make a conservative drool. But when CNN aired a "fact check" piece on his documentary, adding a fraction of balance, he declared jihad, promising in a letter to be CNN's "worst nightmare."

CNN medical reporter Dr. Sanjay Gupta put together a fairly mild report taking issue with some of Moore's cinematic claims. For example, Moore gauzily promoted the health-care promise of communist Cuba. In the film's most publicized stunt, he traveled with Americans suffering from 9/11-related symptoms and had them treated in Cuban hospitals. Gupta pointed out that while Moore highlights that the United Nations World Health Organization cites the United States as 37th in the world for health care, the same study ranks Cuba as 39th.

This is the kind of fact checking that drives Moore into a frenzy. He cannot tolerate someone insisting that the infallible Michael Moore would ever mangle a fact. In a response on his Website, Moore didn't say Gupta was wrong. Instead, he declared, "CNN should have its reporter see his eye doctor," since that list with Cuba two slots down is clearly on screen, even in the trailer. Technically, he's correct. A sharp-eyed viewer can see Cuba. But that's not the point, and Moore knows it. Moore's voice-over was focusing the viewer on how the United States ranks just above poor Slovenia at No. 38.

Then he walked away from the facts, making the outrageous claim that communist Cuba's dismal ranking is all America's fault: "The fact that the healthcare system in an impoverished nation crippled by our decades-old blockade (including medical supplies and drugs) ranks so closely to ours is more an indictment of the American system than the Cuban system."

The chutzpah level is so high he should seek medical attention.

Most of Moore's attack on Gupta doesn't claim Gupta has mangled the facts, but instead argues that Gupta's facts are not important. Moore isn't saying Gupta is "untrue" -- he's "true, but." Gupta noted America ranked No. 1 in patient satisfaction. Moore admits: "True, but" when the WHO took patient satisfaction into account in its comprehensive review of the world's health systems, we still came in at No. 37.

Gupta reported that Americans have shorter wait times than everyone but Germans when seeking non-emergency elective procedures. Moore doesn't say that's untrue, but: "This isn't the whole truth. CNN pulled out a statistic about elective procedures."

In his boastful letter to CNN, Moore demanded the network cry uncle and admit that everything Moore says is to be accepted without qualification: "What I want to do is help you come clean. Admit you were wrong. What is the shame in that? We all make mistakes. I know it's hard to admit it when you've screwed up, but it's also liberating and cathartic. It not only makes you a better person, it helps prevent you from screwing up again."

This is incredibly rich coming from Moore, whose M.O. is not to deal in facts as much as in cheap stunts and socialist innuendoes. This is a man who ended "Fahrenheit 911" with the less-than-factual claim that the "war effort" was "always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation." Footnote, please, Mr. Moore? Can anyone forget his gauzy video of Saddam Hussein's Iraq before the invasion, with pastoral pictures of children with kites?

In fact, on one point in Gupta's report, CNN did retract a claim and apologize. Gupta said Moore's film claimed Cubans pay $25 per person a year for health care, when Moore said $251. But CNN's response also pointed out that Moore is playing apples and oranges with the numbers, plucking the Cuba number from a BBC report and then selecting his American cost-per-person number from our Department of Health and Human Services. The HHS number for 2006 is not a fact, but a projection, CNN pointed out: "Actual numbers for the years 2006 and 2007 are not yet available, which is why CNN could not use them."

Even people who don't believe that CNN is always Exhibit A for fairness and accuracy can easily find CNN to be a superior fact-finder to Michael Moore. So why does Moore, sloppily disorganized and so often factually untruthful, register such credibility with the press? Because his work provokes all the "right" people and shoots at all the "right" targets. If they really cared about the facts and people who handle them, they'd take away Moore's 6-foot-high soapbox. Gupta's report was a small step in the right direction.
Old 07-24-2007, 11:05 AM   #18 (permalink)
Congressional Representative
 
knot_e_lady's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,285
Country:
Points: 12,267, Level: 72
Points: 12,267, Level: 72 Points: 12,267, Level: 72 Points: 12,267, Level: 72
Level up: 55%, 183 Points needed
Level up: 55% Level up: 55% Level up: 55%
Activity: 17%
Activity: 17% Activity: 17% Activity: 17%
knot_e_lady is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by playfullheart View Post
Michael declined 3 years of invites to CNN?? Hmmm..He seems to change the subject as soon as he hears that.

Yeah, and did you notice that all he did is get emotional, ranting, and not one reasonable reply was given in a civil debate? Just alot of emotional garbish that pulls at your heart strings, and says nothing else. Baloney. It gets people excited, and solves nothing.
It gets people thinking, and talking, and wondering why things are the way they are.
Old 07-24-2007, 11:06 AM   #19 (permalink)
Congressional Representative
 
knot_e_lady's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,285
Country:
Points: 12,267, Level: 72
Points: 12,267, Level: 72 Points: 12,267, Level: 72 Points: 12,267, Level: 72
Level up: 55%, 183 Points needed
Level up: 55% Level up: 55% Level up: 55%
Activity: 17%
Activity: 17% Activity: 17% Activity: 17%
knot_e_lady is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Perhaps Mr. Brent Bozell should address the problem of some 40 million Americans living without health care coverage....
Old 07-24-2007, 11:07 AM   #20 (permalink)
Citizen
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 69
Points: 3,126, Level: 34
Points: 3,126, Level: 34 Points: 3,126, Level: 34 Points: 3,126, Level: 34
Level up: 51%, 74 Points needed
Level up: 51% Level up: 51% Level up: 51%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
playfullheart is offline
Reply With Quote
Wink Micheal Moore targets the people easily led by feelings..
Sometimes the people most influenced by emotions like high drama and the idea of the Rebel, who 'sticks it to the establishment' don't always get the whole picture. Read this story..

Michael Moore and Bill Clinton: Birds of a Feather
by [UBy Ericka Andersen
[/u]
Posted: 07/13/2007


When a liberal complains about media bias, you know you’ve asked a question they don’t like. And they don’t like anything that challenges their dogma.

It’s understandable that Bill Clinton would want to discredit Fox News, but why would Michael Moore have harsh words for CNN’s Wolf Blitzer? Rarely is the mainstream media tipped from the left but Monday on CNN’s “The Situation Room,” Blitzer stayed center and Moore wasn’t happy to be challenged. He exploded at Blitzer when his “truth” about the American healthcare system, portrayed in the new film “Sicko,” was questioned by a short video clip countering some of his ideas and claiming he had “fudged” his facts.

“Sicko” broaches one of the most divisive issues in America today and Moore expected a news program to welcome him unchallenged. Biased, as he claimed the segment was, would have been true only if another perspective wasn’t represented.

After Blitzer let Moore whine for several minutes about the “crap” put out by Dr. Sanjay Gupta (an expert on many aspects of healthcare), Blitzer tried to let Moore speak his peace but Moore continued to harp on an incident three years ago when CNN supposedly knocked his movie, “Farenheit 9/11.” He suggested an apology from Blitzer and blamed the media for “not doing their job” and stopping the Iraq war by refusing to “ask our leaders the tough questions.”

Moore called the report “biased” and asked, “Why don’t you tell the truth the American people?” Moore thinks his “truth” is unquestionable, so anything different must be “bias.” His tantrum echoed the behavior of former president Bill Clinton in last year’s infamous interview with Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday.” Both Moore and Clinton’s calibrated and faux-angry responses to legitimate questions were unhinged.

Wallace, at the request of many viewers, asked Clinton why he didn’t do more to put Bin Laden and al Qaeda “out of business” when he was president. The inquiry produced an outburst of irritation and lashing out against Fox, conservatives and “all the right wingers who are attacking me now.” Clinton was at his best: he spun Wallace’s questions to make himself look persecuted . Wallace replied, “I’m asking you this in good faith sir, because it’s on people’s minds.” But if it makes him look bad, Clinton doesn’t care. And if it makes Fox look bad, Clinton is -- in poker terms -- “all in.”

Wallace let Clinton respond endlessly and belittle him in the process with finger pointing, knee jabbing, and condescension (“you’ve got that little smirk on your face, you think you’re so clever”) and claiming Wallace “didn’t format it in an honest way.” Clinton revels in the spin of most MSM (who buried and downplayed his incriminating actions in office) but flounders in the face of fair and balanced coverage that dares to point the finger at flawed leadership. When it comes to bin Laden, Clinton knows he carries some responsibility -- he successfully rerouted that focus -- an issues tactic he’s perfected for years.

Had Clinton stopped complaining and simply answered Wallace’s question, the interview would have proceeded to other matters. Instead, even as Wallace attempted on several occasions to change the subject, Clinton orchestrated an elaborate scene in which Fox played the bully to Clinton’s victim persona.

Moore and Clinton are masters of media manipulation, who have coined themselves casualties of bias. By projecting their faults on the media, they manufacture a different focus.

The public has a right to know why Clinton didn’t catch bin Laden and when “facts” in Moore’s documentary aren’t true. Moore and Clinton’s reactions prod the public to view skepticism and balance as biased attack. Clinton even called it “a conservative hit job” and that the public questions about his role in not stopping bin Laden were there due to “a serious disinformation campaign to create that impression.” Plenty of conservatives have been the benefactors of “liberal hit jobs” on NBC, ABC, and CBS but it happens so often, usually no one notices.

Moore and Clinton cried “bias” but they didn’t want it fair. To them, bias is anything that doesn’t accept everything they say



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Last edited by playfullheart; 07-24-2007 at 11:08 AM. Reason: add Authors name
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:25 AM.


 Top Political Sites
Poltical Topsites