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Health Care Debate and defend your thoughts on the current health care system. Compare and contrast the current health care system of the US to other countries.

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Old 10-05-2007, 11:35 AM   #111 (permalink)
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You can be successful if you want to.
Actually, individual people can be successful, in a financial sense, if they want to be.

But, no matter how hard each individual within a population tries to be successful, there will always be a statistical spread of low income earners, middle income earners, and high income earners.

In essence, there are only so many jobs to go around whereby people make enough to afford their healthcare...at least as healthcare is handled today in the US.

And, if you ask me, the US needs a system whereby every US citizen has access to affordable healthcare no matter what their income happens to be.
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:49 PM   #112 (permalink)
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For starters, I'm glad to see that I'm not really on ignore. Secondly I'm not talking about just this incidence. It seems between you and Catus, you have had or know someone who has had just about every conceivable malady known to man.
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:20 PM   #113 (permalink)
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I find it difficult to compare our healthcare situation to that country. With a population of less than 6 million, we have more illegal aliens than they have citizens. Not really an apple to apple comparison.
That means the US has the advantage of huge economies of scale, with a working population of close to 200 million paying in, instead of Denmark's relatively small population.

And we know that Americans can always do everything better then anywhere else. Surely the nation that put men on the moon can organise a health service for its people??
Old 10-05-2007, 02:05 PM   #114 (permalink)
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Actually you know two. I spent 8 days in the hospital in August due to a hemorrhaging kidney. I just don't talk about my health problems much.
Ouch! Is all well now?
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:57 PM   #115 (permalink)
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Ouch! Is all well now?

Yes and no. Right now I am ok.

It was a ruptured hemangioma -- which are also known as a strawberry or port wine stain birthmarks when they are on the skin. Until this happened I was unaware that one can also have them on internal organs.

It is possible that it will never give me any more trouble. It is also possible that it will rupture again -- possibly even repeatedly.

But it is not life-threatening unless I fail to get treatment if it does rupture again.
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You're the only person I know with kidney problems. But then, you can't really say I 'know' you.

I bet you know a lot of people with kidney problems. Does the fact that you know a lot of them, make their problems any less real?
That's not what I'm talking about. And you know as well as I do that I've told you I'm GLAD I don't "know" you from listening to the people you know and all the health issues you have listed in other posts. Don't play daft.
Old 10-05-2007, 05:54 PM   #117 (permalink)
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Actually, individual people can be successful, in a financial sense, if they want to be.

But, no matter how hard each individual within a population tries to be successful, there will always be a statistical spread of low income earners, middle income earners, and high income earners.

In essence, there are only so many jobs to go around whereby people make enough to afford their healthcare...at least as healthcare is handled today in the US.

And, if you ask me, the US needs a system whereby every US citizen has access to affordable healthcare no matter what their income happens to be.
I was talking to my wife and she had the idea that there should be a system where everyone paid a base healthcare fee. It covered all check-ups and basic health care. If you wanted catastrophic coverage, that would be extra though. We agreed that to make this work, there would also have to be tort reform and more oversight on the insurance and drug companies.
But the people that don't pay into the system get the most basic of coverage unless they have a registered disability that justifies their situation. Otherwise you are still ass out. If you don't have the required amount of insurance, there should be more available for charity care since everyone should have some insurance otherwise.

At least that way, if you want better care, you can still pay for it ans get it. Because I don't care what YOU say, I don't want the same level of care as someone who has NO insurance. And if I were a doctor, I wouldn't want my pay based on the lowest common denominator.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:55 PM   #118 (permalink)
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I'm glad to hear you are OK.
Old 10-05-2007, 05:58 PM   #119 (permalink)
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That means the US has the advantage of huge economies of scale, with a working population of close to 200 million paying in, instead of Denmark's relatively small population.

And we know that Americans can always do everything better then anywhere else. Surely the nation that put men on the moon can organise a health service for its people??
You have a lot more confidence in our government than I do. Our infrastructure is literally collapsing around us. Our economy is starting to show it's age. There's a LOT more wrong with this country than just the health care system. I don't want to put this under the thumb of politicians to be debated every year. What about the first year that they don't pass the appropriation bill and all the hospitals shut down with the rest of the government facilities? I'll pass on making healthcare a totally government run entity.
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Hkbajwa, 2 things, what the hell does that name mean, and I'll answer your posts later when I have more time. I'll admit this too is another topic that I haven't really researched and simply have my own ideas about. I'll holla back at ya.
I'll be lookin forward to your reply.. and my full name is Hassan Kilde Bajwa.. hence HK and Bajwa. My first and last name are pakistani but my middle name comes from my maternal grandmother. Danes can't pronounce Bajwa ( the danish language pronounces "J" as "Y"..leads to some confusion) so my parents decided to make it easier for the danes..

Actually my grandad suggested the name Peter Hassan when it came to naming me.. but my parents decided not to go with that..
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