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Health Care Debate and defend your thoughts on the current health care system. Compare and contrast the current health care system of the US to other countries.

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Old 09-19-2007, 05:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Somebody is gonna suffer no matter what system they choose. The rich and middle class are gonna get it through taxes with universal medicine, or the poor if they continue status quo.

I was thinking about my situation as an example. My dialysis and other medical costs probably rack up about 70K a year. If I hadn't joined the Marine Corps I don't know how my life would have turned out. But making those kinds of costs universal to every person in the U.S. as a right is gonna cost CRAZY taxes. Any one know the tax rates in countries with universal medicine compared to the U.S?
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Somebody is gonna suffer no matter what system they choose. The rich and middle class are gonna get it through taxes with universal medicine, or the poor if they continue status quo.

I was thinking about my situation as an example. My dialysis and other medical costs probably rack up about 70K a year. If I hadn't joined the Marine Corps I don't know how my life would have turned out. But making those kinds of costs universal to every person in the U.S. as a right is gonna cost CRAZY taxes. Any one know the tax rates in countries with universal medicine compared to the U.S?
The rich and middle class are already paying for it through charity care provided by hospitals. This is the most costly form of care. Through universal health care, the end costs can potentially be lower.
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:31 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The rich and middle class are already paying for it through charity care provided by hospitals. This is the most costly form of care. Through universal health care, the end costs can potentially be lower.
I don't see how extending free/low-cost health care to everyone as a right will end up costing the tax payer less money. That simply doesn't make sense. If there was enough "charity" we wouldn't have this problem.
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I don't see how extending free/low-cost health care to everyone as a right will end up costing the tax payer less money. That simply doesn't make sense. If there was enough "charity" we wouldn't have this problem.

People pay over $100 dollars a month regardless if they need attention or not. The taxes needed would be FAR less if we had a united purse and only opened it when necessary.
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I don't see how extending free/low-cost health care to everyone as a right will end up costing the tax payer less money. That simply doesn't make sense. If there was enough "charity" we wouldn't have this problem.
Considering that hospitals have to absorb charity costs, a universal health care would ensure that get some money. Plus, with universal healthcare, people can seek medical treatment for conditions before they turn into life threatening events that need hospitalization.
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I don't see how extending free/low-cost health care to everyone as a right will end up costing the tax payer less money. That simply doesn't make sense. If there was enough "charity" we wouldn't have this problem.
Healthcare in the US consumes about 15% of GNP, vs about 11% in the least efficient nations with national health care.

The US system is highly inefficient. Look at all the admin staff a doctor has to hire. And all the expense of a parallel insurance industry exchanging phone calls and thinking up new ways to deny you service!

If everyone pays in (single payer), including the 47m UNinsured, then the costs are spread so taxes don't need to go up.

Also, consider the HIDDEN costs of the current system. Medical insurance adds $1000 to the average Ford or GM. Every time you make a car payment part of it goes to health care.

Ditto almost everything else you buy, from your mortgage to your groceries to your starbux (they spend more on health insurance than on coffee).
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I don't see how extending free/low-cost health care to everyone as a right will end up costing the tax payer less money. That simply doesn't make sense. If there was enough "charity" we wouldn't have this problem.

Part of the reduction would be because poor people without insurance would no longer use emergency rooms as their primary health care provider. You can send at least ten people for a doctor's office visit for the same cost as one emergency room visit. Getting all the poor people with simple fevers and colds out of the emergency room would greatly reduce the expense of treating these conditions.

And universal health screenings would catch more serious illnesses early and not only reduce the expense of treating them but get the patients back to work and paying taxes of their own sooner. Remember that most of the uninsured are not indigent, they are the working poor.

These are only two of the ways that dollars would be saved.

And the fact is that statistics show that countries with universal health care pay less per capita than the U.S.

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Gary gets it right on this topic!
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I just don't see it working here. But that's just me and my well insured butt talking.

Just sounds like another entitlement social bureaucracy to me.
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