Defending the Truth

Articles | Interviews | Politicians | Groups | Arcade | Experience | Donate
  Defending the Truth > Political Issues > Health Care
Where has common sense gone?

Health Care Debate and defend your thoughts on the current health care system. Compare and contrast the current health care system of the US to other countries.

Reply
Page 9 of 15 < 12345678 9 101112131415 >
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-25-2007, 03:26 PM   #81 (permalink)
Congressional Representative
 
CrazyFlamingos's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Alabama
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,390
Points: 11,711, Level: 71
Points: 11,711, Level: 71 Points: 11,711, Level: 71 Points: 11,711, Level: 71
Level up: 16%, 339 Points needed
Level up: 16% Level up: 16% Level up: 16%
Activity: 34%
Activity: 34% Activity: 34% Activity: 34%
CrazyFlamingos is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by redwolfcolt View Post
I figure it this way. If you are rich, you will just buy your coverage same as you do now. If not, well, you can keep going as you are now with NO healthcare, and die at 30, 40, 60, 70, whenever first illness strikes, or take your chances with Hilly's plan, where you at least get helped half of the time, and maybe make it to 70 as a guy who sucks back 3 packs a day.Either way, those who have private insurance now don't and won't worry about the others!

Very well stated. I fail to understand why anyone who isn't heavily invested in insurance company stock could possibly object to this plan.
Right now America spends $700 billion every year on foreign oil. That's our money going overseas when it could be staying here. We have to stop this.
That's why I support the Pickens Plan. Check out the website at www.pickensplan.com. If you like what you see, please join me as a Pickens Plan supporter.

Sponsored Links
Old 09-25-2007, 03:27 PM   #82 (permalink)
SIMPLETON
Premium Member
 
fxashun's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In my skin
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,657
Country:
Points: 24,465, Level: 95
Points: 24,465, Level: 95 Points: 24,465, Level: 95 Points: 24,465, Level: 95
Level up: 12%, 885 Points needed
Level up: 12% Level up: 12% Level up: 12%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
fxashun is online now 		Reply With Quote
 
I don't want the same healthcare as a guy living on the street. I'm not rich, but I damn sure ain't destitute. And I don't want "lowest common denominator" health care.
Bloomberg.com: Opinion
Another dissenting opinion.
Last edited by fxashun; 09-25-2007 at 03:31 PM.
Old 09-25-2007, 03:31 PM   #83 (permalink)
Congressional Representative
 
CrazyFlamingos's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Alabama
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,390
Points: 11,711, Level: 71
Points: 11,711, Level: 71 Points: 11,711, Level: 71 Points: 11,711, Level: 71
Level up: 16%, 339 Points needed
Level up: 16% Level up: 16% Level up: 16%
Activity: 34%
Activity: 34% Activity: 34% Activity: 34%
CrazyFlamingos is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fxashun View Post
I don't want the same healthcare as a guy living on the street. I'm not rich, but I damn sure ain't destitute. And I don't want "lowest common denominator" health care.

Would you please go read the plan to that you have something to add to this conversation?

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/featur...hoicesplan.pdf
Right now America spends $700 billion every year on foreign oil. That's our money going overseas when it could be staying here. We have to stop this.
That's why I support the Pickens Plan. Check out the website at www.pickensplan.com. If you like what you see, please join me as a Pickens Plan supporter.

Old 09-25-2007, 03:42 PM   #84 (permalink)
SIMPLETON
Premium Member
 
fxashun's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In my skin
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,657
Country:
Points: 24,465, Level: 95
Points: 24,465, Level: 95 Points: 24,465, Level: 95 Points: 24,465, Level: 95
Level up: 12%, 885 Points needed
Level up: 12% Level up: 12% Level up: 12%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
fxashun is online now 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos View Post

Would you please go read the plan to that you have something to add to this conversation?

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/featur...hoicesplan.pdf
Okay I read it. It read like I was in the school gym listening to a bunch of vague promises by prospective class president candidates. I'll read more in depth later.
Last edited by fxashun; 09-25-2007 at 08:30 PM.
Old 09-25-2007, 04:01 PM   #85 (permalink)
Partisan
Premium Member
 
garysher's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,981
Country:
Points: 31,280, Level: 100
Points: 31,280, Level: 100 Points: 31,280, Level: 100 Points: 31,280, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
garysher is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Observer View Post
Reality is Hillary's healthcare will NOT help matters. It is UNAmerican to force people to pay for something they may not need or be able to afford.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Like education, the police, the fire service?

What utter nonsense! Every American pays for countless things they may not need or be able to afford!!



Quit looking for socialist answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Define socialist.

BTW how do you feel about privatising the military instead of the current socialist military?



And read something that plays the Devil's Advocate with Hillary's ideas. How about doing a search on her. Don't just read the nicey-nicey articles about her. Find out who she really is. She is not who she appears to be, i.e., all benevolent and kind.
>>>>>>>>

Unlike George Bush, the Mother Theresa of World politics!

Please try to grow up and stop making up this childish rubbish.







As I said in so many words, the answers can be found in the past. Go back and eliminate whatever was placed in that started the out-of-control spiral of healthcare. One clue, not so far back, is illegal aliens using OUR healthcare facilities as an everyday trip to the hospital's emergency room (as opposed to making an appointment at the doctor's office where they would have to pay) and/or having babies and not paying the bill. Nothing in this life is free. SOMEONE pays, and currently, it's the middle class American citizens.
I agree that foreigners and illegal aliens should not be eligible for free healthcare paid for by US taxpayers.

You need to know that thousands of Americans visit other countries for medical treatment and prescription drugs because they cannot afford them in their home country.

You also need to know that the current system is broken, and is slowly strangling huge US companies like GM, Ford, United Airlines etc.

Shoving the problem of health care on to employers isn't a good solution either because SOMEONE pays, and currently, it's the middle class American.

Every car payment, mortgage payment, grocery bill etc etc includes a component that goes to pay somebody's health insurance.

And everybody is forced to pay it.
Old 09-25-2007, 04:59 PM   #86 (permalink)
Council Member
 
akuma's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Here
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,474
Country:
Points: 4,188, Level: 41
Points: 4,188, Level: 41 Points: 4,188, Level: 41 Points: 4,188, Level: 41
Level up: 19%, 162 Points needed
Level up: 19% Level up: 19% Level up: 19%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via Yahoo to akuma
akuma is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fxashun View Post
I think tort reform and a control on medical cost though insurers and providers. And by insurers, I mean for every one. Hospitals on down.

Instead of X number of millions in a lawsuit, it should have a specific formula based on some set of values. With punitive having it's own formula too.
As I recall my NJ auto insurance plan, I accepted the lawsuit limit option that gave me a much lower premium. In return for an affordable policy, I gave up my right to sue other drivers for pain/suffering. I never had to use this insurance, but it seems like a reasonable means of making meaningful health insurance more affordable.
One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small,
And the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all.
Old 09-26-2007, 01:14 AM   #87 (permalink)
Block Captain
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 396
Points: 2,958, Level: 33
Points: 2,958, Level: 33 Points: 2,958, Level: 33 Points: 2,958, Level: 33
Level up: 39%, 92 Points needed
Level up: 39% Level up: 39% Level up: 39%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Observer is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by redwolfcolt View Post
There isn't one politician you can name that doesn't have filthy laundry, and that includes Hillary, her husband, and the current filth sitting in the white house, and his father. They are all dirty, dirty, dirty, and it doesn't help that now Bill and Daddy George are best friends. It stinks, stinks, stinks. Georgie Boy lets the illegals in and waves the mexican flag (true story) on our land, while Hillary wants to give them health insurance.Dems are pubs and pubs are dems. Two sides of the same coin.
Oh, yeah? Try to dig up some "dirt" on Ron Paul, Libertarian turned Republican for the GOP ticket in 2008.

As far as the rest of your post, I agree 100%. But that's not the worst of it, I'm sorry to say.
Old 09-26-2007, 01:34 AM   #88 (permalink)
Block Captain
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 396
Points: 2,958, Level: 33
Points: 2,958, Level: 33 Points: 2,958, Level: 33 Points: 2,958, Level: 33
Level up: 39%, 92 Points needed
Level up: 39% Level up: 39% Level up: 39%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Observer is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos View Post

Would you please go read the plan to that you have something to add to this conversation?

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/featur...hoicesplan.pdf

I really don't give a crap if her plan is trimmed in gold! IT'S SOCIALISM!!! pure and simple!!!! and the United States of America was intended to be a REPUBLIC, not some socialist, communistic country like Russia! You don't take from (read "rob") other people to give to those who, in most cases are lazy bums who've never worked for an honest dollar their whole life!! A person who works their ass off to get ahead in life shouldn't have to support some lazy, shiftless person who hang out on the streets, doing hip-hop, dealing drugs and knocking up every broad that will let him, then not support his offspring. If her plan was to take care of those who genuinely can't help themselves, such as the elderly, disabled, and incompetent, I'd go for it. But I don't want money taken from me to support people who've never had the ambition to do for themselves. Evidently you wouldn't mind paying for some deadbeat's healthcare who flunked out of school because he/she were too lazy to apply themselves, and made trouble for the thought school was for finding someone to get laid with or do drugs with.
Maybe you think it's a grand idea because you expect someone else to take care of you from the cradle to the grave. That will be the end of this country when people take that attitude!

Go with Ms Hillary rodham/clinton, the "progressive" which means "socialism". You'll live to regret it, too. This country is being sold out by Bush at this moment for Hillary's reign of terror. Mark my words.
Old 09-26-2007, 01:41 AM   #89 (permalink)
Block Captain
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 396
Points: 2,958, Level: 33
Points: 2,958, Level: 33 Points: 2,958, Level: 33 Points: 2,958, Level: 33
Level up: 39%, 92 Points needed
Level up: 39% Level up: 39% Level up: 39%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Observer is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by redwolfcolt View Post
Others of a more capitalist bent might say "well, nobody told you to smoke, and nobody told you to not save up a good nest egg".Everybody hates socialized medicine until THEY need it.
Yes, capitalists are for responsibility and realize there are consequences to be paid with every action we take in life. You won't find any true capitalists on welfare, driving without driver's licences, driving drunk, going through life without insurance of all kinds, looking for a hand-out, who don't take care of their families and when they die, they have something to leave for their heirs besides a mountain of debt. A capitalist won't EVER need socialized medicine unless, of course, Hillary becomes president.
Old 09-26-2007, 06:45 AM   #90 (permalink)
SIMPLETON
Premium Member
 
fxashun's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In my skin
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,657
Country:
Points: 24,465, Level: 95
Points: 24,465, Level: 95 Points: 24,465, Level: 95 Points: 24,465, Level: 95
Level up: 12%, 885 Points needed
Level up: 12% Level up: 12% Level up: 12%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
fxashun is online now 		Reply With Quote
 
Yeah, it sounds a bit like a socialist plan to me too. I agree health care should be provided for kids and the disabled, but forcing healthy working people to bear the brunt for everybody in the country's health care? Naaa.
Reply
Page 9 of 15 < 12345678 9 101112131415 >

Bookmarks

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:26 PM.

Defending the Truth - FAQ - Contact Us - Donate - Archive - Top

 Top Political Sites
Poltical Topsites 

Recommended Sites