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| Health Care Debate and defend your thoughts on the current health care system. Compare and contrast the current health care system of the US to other countries. |
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| Partisan Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,784 Country: ![]()
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Not after you tell the insurance company that you have cancer. That's when they kick you into the gutter. Even people with much lesser illnesses are unable to afford health insurance for themselves and their families. If you hadn't been in the military could you afford your own health insurance? But my point was that getting a car is a choice but getting cancer isn't. knowuryder: and I should care what some dullard on a message board thinks about me because why exactly? | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| SIMPLETON Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In my skin Gender: ![]() Posts: 10,252 Country: ![]()
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| Partisan Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,784 Country: ![]()
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You're still missing the point - how do you get insurance when you have cancer or some other catastrophic illness ?? The ones that health insurance companies reject? And how do low income families afford the premiums? knowuryder: and I should care what some dullard on a message board thinks about me because why exactly? | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| SIMPLETON Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In my skin Gender: ![]() Posts: 10,252 Country: ![]()
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You are missing "MY" point as well. There are many things poor people can't afford. Is it the tax payer's responsibility to pay for something on that individual a level? General health insurance would be yet another burden on the people that currently pay a majority of the taxes. And it ain't the poor people. Universal health care as you are describing would be yet another program that helps people who haven't helped themselves. Here's some great information on the subject. ACS :: Medical Insurance and Financial Assistance for the Cancer Patient This is my new signature. Last edited by fxashun; 11-13-2007 at 08:13 PM. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pakistan Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,179
| Well fxashun... it seems that you are so embittered by the struggles you have faced yourself, that you cannot abide the thought that others should get what you have without living through the same struggles. I may be wrong but that is how it comes across. It is my firm belief that ensuring the health and wellbeing of one's fellow citizens is an undeniable duty ( but that's just me ). Has it occurred to you that free healthcare will free you of your health insurance payments? Essentially what you will be paying in isurance, you will be paying in taxes instead and the only difference will be that nobody gets left behind. I don't get why you wouldn't want that. I think it's a crying shame that the need/desire to deny the alleged throngs of ne'er-do-wells free medical assistance is given a higher priority that providing care for those who actually need it. You sacrifice the lives of those who do not deserve to be left behind, for the sake of denying a few lazy louts the same. Let me ask you one thing..... Would you rather pay extra to keep both deserving and undeserving people alive OR woudl you rather that money went to an industry that essentially makes a profit every time they don't have to pay for somebody's healthcare ( causing them to actively try and weasel out of it ). Mind you, it's not gonna get any more expensive for you.. instead of the insurance premiums you will merely be paying a tax... the only difference is that in the former case, the extra money you pay never gets utilized for anything but lining the pockets of a corporation, whereas in the latter EVERYBODY winds up having the same life chances. Any talk of "programs" for the poor and elderly is irrelevant.. if those "programs" were actually helping a sufficient number of people, then there wouldn't be such perceived need to provide universal healthcare.. it is because so many people fall through the cracks that this discussion even exists. YOu worry about how the provision of universal healthcare is gonna cost you.. well like i said, it's NOT gonna cost you.. you'll merely be paying your money to an institution whose PRIME GOAL is the HEALTH AND WELLBEING of the population... instead of MAKING A PROFIT. YOu cut out the completely superfluous and ultimately equally expensive corporation and instead pay your money to an institution that will not deny you treatment because you are "not covered". Think about it.. in such a situation you are going to be 100% covered without the limitations of having to contract a "covered" ailment. I CAN NOT for the life of me understand why you are willing to keep paying insurance premiums ( in spite of the fact that your health and wellbeing is only a SECONDARY CONCERN to the company ) but you will not cancel that and pay an equal amount in taxes for a system that can NEVER DENY YOU and whose sole purpose of existence isn't their stock price or bottom line but rather YOUR HEALTH. Love for all, Hatred for none | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| SIMPLETON Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In my skin Gender: ![]() Posts: 10,252 Country: ![]()
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An insurance company can NEVER DENY YOU under their contractual obligation. But in THIS case, the contract with the lady was voided when she knowingly or unknowingly gave erroneous information. If you want to change my mind, this case ain't the one that's gonna do it. This is my new signature. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,366 Country: ![]()
| And what you don't get is people shouldn't have to "earn" healthcare. Healthcare should be a fundamental right. Like you said about schools, that education benefits society, a healthy population also benefits society. I just don't get how you see healthcare as something someone has to earn. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| SIMPLETON Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In my skin Gender: ![]() Posts: 10,252 Country: ![]()
| A person can't earn a basic education since they are minors. That's why college isn't free but everything up to it is. After you are an adult, it is up to you to determine your destiny. And even that "free" education is outperformed by "pay" education and diligent homeschooling. This is my new signature. Last edited by fxashun; 11-14-2007 at 08:25 AM. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| A Funny Fellow Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pensacola, FL Gender: ![]() Posts: 6,450 Country: ![]()
| Nobody cares about the sick poor who can't afford health insurance. Sure, there are a few that pretend they care (such as politicians), and only in the interests of appearing noble. In reality people are only concerned about themselves and their immediate families. After all, it's not your fault there are poor, sick, destitute people. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Jersey Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,407 Country: ![]()
| Well, that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. But I don't actually believe that there aren't any people out there helping people anymore. Hopefully if people are being a bit more greedy and selfish today, it will be a passing phase. The problem is, usually the only way things change is when there isn't a choice. Bad things tend to bring people together, and if there is a swing to the greedy side, there will be an inevitable swing in the other direction. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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