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Old 11-14-2007, 10:01 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Nobody cares about the sick poor who can't afford health insurance. Sure, there are a few that pretend they care (such as politicians), and only in the interests of appearing noble. In reality people are only concerned about themselves and their immediate families. After all, it's not your fault there are poor, sick, destitute people.
Speak for yourself.

I do care, because I feel that, there but for the grace of God, go I.

I saw an article that said 25% of homeless are veterans.

I personally think that this selfish attitude that has been prevalent in our society in the past 30 years or so is what has caused so many of our problems.

Whatever happened to 'treat others the way you would like to be treated'?
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:05 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Speak for yourself.

I do care, because I feel that, there but for the grace of God, go I.

I saw an article that said 25% of homeless are veterans.

I personally think that this selfish attitude that has been prevalent in our society in the past 30 years or so is what has caused so many of our problems.

Whatever happened to 'treat others the way you would like to be treated'?
That's the very reason I stand behind the flat tax. Income tax, if it's not illegal, should be flat and free from any deductions. That way we all put in what we should.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:54 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Whatever happened to 'treat others the way you would like to be treated'?
It turned into "treat others in accordance with how much money they have."
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Speak for yourself.

I do care, because I feel that, there but for the grace of God, go I.

I saw an article that said 25% of homeless are veterans.

I personally think that this selfish attitude that has been prevalent in our society in the past 30 years or so is what has caused so many of our problems.

Whatever happened to 'treat others the way you would like to be treated'?
Also, I've heard that after getting home from Iraq, there is a high suicidal rate among the soldiers who have to cope with stress.

The people who do enlist in the military, whether it is through recruiting or via the service academies, they are given a psychiatric exam, yes?

If not, perhaps they should have to see if they can cope with war and home at the same they are in the military. Our vets don't need to take their own life.
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Also, I've heard that after getting home from Iraq, there is a high suicidal rate among the soldiers who have to cope with stress.

The people who do enlist in the military, whether it is through recruiting or via the service academies, they are given a psychiatric exam, yes?

If not, perhaps they should have to see if they can cope with war and home at the same they are in the military. Our vets don't need to take their own life.
No one can foresee PTS.
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No one can foresee PTS.
True. Does it make us wonder that before they go back to civilian life, even though they may still be in the military, should they be evaluated to see if there if anything that is bothering them? San Diego has the Balboa Naval Hospital, and I am sure they have an area where psychiatrists can evaluate the soldiers that came home.

We are still a Navy and a USMC town.
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:03 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Since I'd still probably be dependent on my parents and living at home. I'd be under my mom's plan.

I don't think you can be covered by a parent's plan after you reach 18, unless you can prove you're a full time student




Many colleges actually have a group insurance plan that is covered by fees. Dialysis is covered 80% by Medicare,

I thought you opposed other people picking up the tab for your healthcare??




but if I were to get a transplant, the medication to keep from rejecting isn't covered after 3 years. They expect you to be able to work by then.



But to answer your question, would I be able to afford my insurance on my own? No. But then again, I wouldn't be able to afford to "live" if I weren't in the Marines when I got sick. But that was why I joined the Marine Corps in the first place. I wasn't doing anything productive with my life yet and the recruiter offered a awesome enlistment bonus, college funds, choice of duty station, and a decent trade.
See above!

If you oppose other people paying for your health care why should it be any different for people who join the military?

Surely Marines are paid well enough to buy their own insurance to cover illnesses and medical problems not incurred "on the job"?
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:21 PM   #78 (permalink)
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See above!

If you oppose other people paying for your health care why should it be any different for people who join the military?

Surely Marines are paid well enough to buy their own insurance to cover illnesses and medical problems not incurred "on the job"?
It depends, I know some policies keep coverage under some disabilities as long as the disability creates the dependence. Not to mention some disabilities are automatically covered.
DEPENDENT COVERAGE
If a covered dependent child is incapable of self-sustaining employment by reason of mental or physical disability, is primarily dependent upon the covered employee for support and maintenance, is unmarried and covered under the plan when reaching the limiting age, she/he may remain on the plan as long as the employee remains an active member of the health plan.


My healthcare is covered by Tricare and medicare. Both of which are gauranteed by my 100% disability retirement from the Marines. I pay extra for my wife and son and we also have separate plans for dental, disability, life etc. I don't understand your question about "other people picking up the tab for your healthcare??"

That's the great part about joining the military though. The pay ISN'T that great. But they take care of EVERYTHING. Food, lodging, insurance, healthcare, job trainingand dang near anything else I can think of. That's why many people have a hard time readjusting to civilian life after separation.

From what I hear, all Federal jobs have these great benefits.
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My healthcare is covered by Tricare and medicare. Both of which are gauranteed by my 100% disability retirement from the Marines. I pay extra for my wife and son and we also have separate plans for dental, disability, life etc. I don't understand your question about "other people picking up the tab for your healthcare??"

The taxpayer is paying for your health care



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From what I hear, all Federal jobs have these great benefits.

Which is another inequity - why should govt employees luxuriate in better health care than the taxpayers who finance them??


Why don't non-government workers deserve the same privileges?
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The taxpayer is paying for your health care.

The taxpayer is paying for my dang near everything military related from my health insurance costs to my monthly pension It's part of the selling point. The military benefits. I don't see where I changed anything.

Which is another inequity - why should govt employees luxuriate in better health care than the taxpayers who finance them??


Why don't non-government workers deserve the same privileges?
I don't see the inequities. I would argue that the rules are the way they are to make sure that the government employees, the all volunteer military in particular, has sufficient coverage for those that pledge to serve the public.

Everyone has the same freedom to get health insurance.
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