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Old 11-14-2007, 01:44 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by garysher (Another example of America's shameful health care snafu)

The taxpayer is paying for your health care.

The taxpayer is paying for my dang near everything military related from my health insurance costs to my monthly pension It's part of the selling point. The military benefits. I don't see where I changed anything.


Exactly my point - but you said you opposed other people being forced to finance health care?? You didn't change anything except you changed your mind about that?


Which is another inequity - why should govt employees luxuriate in better health care than the taxpayers who finance them??

Why don't non-government workers deserve the same privileges?



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I don't see the inequities. I would argue that the rules are the way they are to make sure that the government employees, the all volunteer military in particular, has sufficient coverage for those that pledge to serve the public.

That's the inequity - why should people who pledge to "serve the public" at the DMV get better health care than people working for small businesses? or self-employed?




Everyone has the same freedom to get health insurance.
Just like everyone has the freedom to buy a Lamborghini!

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I don't see the inequities. I would argue that the rules are the way they are to make sure that the government employees, the all volunteer military in particular, has sufficient coverage for those that pledge to serve the public.

Everyone has the same freedom to get health insurance.
Right, but the insurance company has the freedom to deny health insurance, too.
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:09 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Exactly my point - but you said you opposed other people being forced to finance health care?? You didn't change anything except you changed your mind about that?

No, I said I don't want taxpayers to pay for "everybody's" health care. If a person has in essense "hired" me as an employee and part of the benefits in the "job" is disability and health insurance, how can anybody have a problem with that. I gave the required service for the benefits.
I don't see where it can be construed that I've changed my mind about anything.

That's the inequity - why should people who pledge to "serve the public" at the DMV get better health care than people working for small businesses? or self-employed?

See above. The people at the DMV were hired by "the people" and "the people" give some hot ass benefits to their employees.

Just like everyone has the freedom to buy a Lamborghini!

Yeah they do. But I would advise investing in health insurance first.
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Right, but the insurance company has the freedom to deny health insurance, too.
Not under contract law they don't. Considering nearly everyone has insurance coverage, if they made a habit of not covering their legitimately contracted insureds, there would be hell to pay.

In fact, if this one woman is the best example of someone this company has nixed under these circumstances, I'd like to hear about some of the others.
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Not under contract law they don't. Considering nearly everyone has insurance coverage, if they made a habit of not covering their legitimately contracted insureds, there would be hell to pay.
47M Americans Don't have health insurance.

People such as this woman, who don't work for a big company and aren't part of a Group scheme, can be turned down, or priced out of the market very easily

You still haven't said how those people are supposed to get healthcare ?


In fact, if this one woman is the best example of someone this company has nixed under these circumstances, I'd like to hear about some of the others.

Visit any state hospital and talk to some of the patients - and the staff
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See above. The people at the DMV were hired by "the people" and "the people" give some hot ass benefits to their employees.Just like everyone has the freedom to buy a Lamborghini!

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Yeah they do. But I would advise investing in health insurance first.

The point is that you can buy a $500 banger for basic transportation instead of a Lamborghini.

But you can't take two advils to cure your cancer.

An illness requires the same treatment no matter if the patient is rich or poor.

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Perhaps this is one way just to test the market when buying health insurance at such a cheap rate, but with a high deductible.

When I was employed into the first year of my present job, I had to wait a year to be insured. In the meantime, I paid in cash to Mutual Of Omaha to be health-insured. I didn't have to use it, but it would saved me a lot of money if I had to. It would have kept me from going to the poorhouse.

A company I worked before that, I had to use their health insurance via Travelers because I had medical testing done on me ten months into the first year of my employment with them. The testing was not pleasant. I underwent two IVPs, and the injections I got for the procedure about burned me up. You had those, too, didn't you, FX? As I said, that was living in hell for a few minutes.
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47M Americans Don't have health insurance.

That's a shame too.


People such as this woman, who don't work for a big company and aren't part of a Group scheme, can be turned down, or priced out of the market very easily

She wasn't priced out of the market though. She falsified information on her application.


You still haven't said how those people are supposed to get healthcare ?

If they haven't prepared for life before now, they might be ass out. You haven't fully explained to me why the taxpayers that would be footing the bill, who more than likely already have healthcare, should be concerned.

Universal healthcare is just another resource redistribution plan.


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47M Americans Don't have health insurance.

That's a shame too.


People such as this woman, who don't work for a big company and aren't part of a Group scheme, can be turned down, or priced out of the market very easily

She wasn't priced out of the market though. She falsified information on her application.

She says that wasn't deliberate.
Healthnet made it clear they would not insure her for chemotherapy - infact they cancelled coverage when she was on the treatment tgable. Healthnet pay bonuses to their employees to do that.

So what should she do now?

Sit down and say "What a shame"??


You still haven't said how those people are supposed to get healthcare ?

If they haven't prepared for life before now, they might be ass out.

How do you prepare for cancer?




You haven't fully explained to me why the taxpayers that would be footing the bill, who more than likely already have healthcare, should be concerned.

Because it's the most cost-effective way to provide healthcare for everyone - that's why the taxpayers will foot the bill for your son's healthcare, and for the military and many other things.

It's also the right thing to do.




Universal healthcare is just another resource redistribution plan.

That's a very cold, heartless way to look at it - especially as you are benefitting from exactly that form of "resource distribution" but still want to deny it to others!

Every other advanced western economy, and a few less advanced ones, provides universal health coverage.

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She says that wasn't deliberate.
Healthnet made it clear they would not insure her for chemotherapy - infact they cancelled coverage when she was on the treatment tgable. Healthnet pay bonuses to their employees to do that.
So what should she do now?
Sit down and say "What a shame"??

I guess so. Why should the insurance company be responsible for her "mistake". They said they would not have covered her had her application been correct. Sometimes bad things happen to good people and sometimes good people bring bad things upon themselves.

How do you prepare for cancer?

The same way you prepare for natural disasters, car accidents, and death. By purchasing insurance.

Because it's the most cost-effective way to provide healthcare for everyone - that's why the taxpayers will foot the bill for your son's healthcare, and for the military and many other things.
It's also the right thing to do.


But the only people complaining are those who already don't have insurance. Many of which STILL won't be responsible for paying for their healthcare under the plan you propose. I don't see how that's the "right thing to do".

That's a very cold, heartless way to look at it - especially as you are benefitting from exactly that form of "resource distribution" but still want to deny it to others!

There's a difference though. I paid taxes, I joined the military, I gave to society and played by the "rules" given. I doubt you'll find many people that recommend the military not have health and disability benefits.


Every other advanced western economy, and a few less advanced ones, provides universal health coverage.

Good for them.


Why is America so mean-spirited toward her own people?

Your "mean spirited" is my "accountable".
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