Medicaid - Page 10

no rights · 01-30-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

OD...I know that this is probally gonna make a few jaws dropped when I say this...

But the quote of Gary's that you've got in your post? I'm kinda wondering myself and wondering like him.

Now, before anyone has a stroke about me agreeing with Gary on this, there's a disability that the goverment allows for recipents to receive funds for...From free housing, to free medical, to food stamps.

I've known quite a number of such individuals on this particular disability and there's alot of upset with taxpayers that find out there's a certain group of individuals getting disability and exempt from having to work because of it...

Alcohol and drug addiction/abuse disability social security benefits.

Yes, people who are allowed legally to receive government funds/support for drinking and drug use.

I'm not saying that this is the case in regards to NR...But I do find it suspicious that having a disability, he seems pretty...evasive and embarrassed to mention his if he's truely disabled in some manner.

I don't drink or do drugs. My disability is confidential and no ones business. If I want you to know,I will tell you.

OhDear · 01-30-2008, 11:28 PM

I do not believe that Ali. NOT That I believe you are lying.

I encountered enough people through my work at the shelter that were AODA. They did not get benefits FOR being addicts.

Please supply the data.

Though for tonight, I simply must get to bed.

Good night all.

We all really do need one another.

OhDear

OhDear · 01-30-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by no rights

I don't drink or do drugs. My disability is confidential and no ones business. If I want you to know,I will tell you.

NR, do take care and welcome to the forums. How's about you telling us on some of the other topics here, what you think ...like about gay marriage, about abortion, about immigration...

Tell a few good jokes.

Enjoy the community here.

God bless ya,

OhDear

no rights · 01-30-2008, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhDear

NR, do take care and welcome to the forums. How's about you telling us on some of the other topics here, what you think ...like about gay marriage, about abortion, about immigration...

Tell a few good jokes.

Enjoy the community here.

God bless ya,

OhDear

Thank you!

gay marriage: Against it.

abortion: against it

immigration: we all came from immigrants unless you're native american

garysher · 01-30-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by no rights

I don't drink or do drugs. My disability is confidential and no ones business. If I want you to know,I will tell you.

If you're genuinely disabled then you have my sympathy and I hope the govt gives you everything you need.

I have no problem seeing my taxes going to disabled people who really need help.

But like most people I have a strong dislike of people who complain they can't get by in America.

If you can't make it here you can't make it anywhere!

garysher · 01-30-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by no rights

Thank you!

gay marriage: Against it.

See you do have some redeeming qualities

no rights · 01-30-2008, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garysher

If you're genuinely disabled then you have my sympathy and I hope the govt gives you everything you need.

I have no problem seeing my taxes going to disabled people who really need help.

But like most people I have a strong dislike of people who complain they can't get by in America.

If you can't make it here you can't make it anywhere!

If you can't make it here move to China with all the jobs.

AlicornsPrayer · 01-30-2008, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhDear

I do not believe that Ali. NOT That I believe you are lying.

I encountered enough people through my work at the shelter that were AODA. They did not get benefits FOR being addicts.

Please supply the data.

Though for tonight, I simply must get to bed.

Good night all.

We all really do need one another.

OhDear

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't know where to find it written down OD. It shocked the heck out of us, when we found out that one of the families living in our area, who partied all the time and were on free housing, were all on disability for their alcohol/drug addictions by the state. They were actually very proud of theirselves, being able to get supported/paid for the lifestyles they had.

I hadn't heard of it myself till then. I called a friend of mine, who's father is a welfare case worker, figuring they were trying to pull a quick one on everyone...And yep, he confirmed it's applicable. It's one of the loopholes that can be used to get public assistance and disability benefits. All they need is a doctor to say that their addiction is so bad, that it makes them incapable of functioning normally in society for mental/addiction reasons. That they basically haven no control over their actions, that any intervention such as rehab doesn't work, etc.

I personally don't get that myself.

And from what my ex father-in-law told us recently, my ex is on it now, as well as helping our son apply for it as well. Go figure eh? And the number of people that I've found out since that are on it...GAG!

AlicornsPrayer · 01-31-2008, 12:23 AM

Here's a place to start OD...

Arch Gen Psychiatry -- Severe Mental Illness and Substance Use Disorders Among Former Supplemental Security Income Beneficiaries for Drug Addiction and Alcoholism, July 2000, Swartz et al. 57 (7): 701

This article says that the federal goverment is trying to put a stop to it...Although depending on what state a person is in, they may still be able to qualify for it if they meet the DA&A benefit qualifications.

And here's the SS's explination of how to qualify, if the alcohol/drug addiction is a secondary disability (in otherwords, you have to have another disability that the alcohol/drugs contribute to)...

SSR 82-60

Quote:

Drug addicts or alcoholics cannot be considered "disabled" on the basis of that diagnosis alone; on the other hand, a diagnosis of drug addiction or alcoholism should not have an effect on a disability evaluation that is adverse to the applicant. Drug addicts and alcoholics are subject to all the ills that may affect any other applicant. Drug addiction and alcoholism are diagnostic terms; they do not denote impairment value or severity. It is necessary to evaluate the severity of the impairment which may be associated with, manifested by, result from, or coexist with these diagnoses.
It must be recognized also that the issue of whether the individual has lost the ability to control the use of drugs or alcohol affects the matter of diagnosis. The loss of ability to control these substances identifies the individual as a drug addict or alcoholic diagnostically, but does not provide a conclusive basis for evaluating the severity of the impairment.
Confinement in an institution or other facility, whether for treatment or otherwise, may occur for reasons other than the severity of the impairment. Although the circumstances concerning the confinement must be determined and considered, confinement alone does not establish that the impairment is severe. Also, confinement which is the treatment prescribed by an appropriate treating source does not establish the presence or severity of an impairment. The presence of an impairment and its severity is established on the basis of the symptoms, signs, and pertinent clinical and laboratory findings appropriate to that impairment. Similarly, release from an institution or any other facility does not establish that an impairment has improved, or that an impairment is not severe.
Ultimately, the decision will depend upon the severity of the impairment, as properly documented by the required medical findings, and, for appropriate cases, the limitation of function imposed on the applicant by the impairment in conjunction with applicable vocational factors. An individual may be a drug addict or an alcoholic and not be disabled if the evidence fails to show inability to engage in substantial gainful activity.

OhDear · 01-31-2008, 07:04 AM

Thank you for sharing that Ali.

What I have encountered previously, is that a high number of "druggies" had a diagnosis that worked well for getting drugs as much as monies.

Like bipolar or add or even depression. Which sad to say, there are a number of people with those disorders.

But there are those, who once diagnosed, will use the meds on the street for trade or resale.

And there is such a thing as toxic psychosis.

Still I would not have guessed that anyone can have a lifestyle of addiction count as a primary or sole disability. That surely does shrink the funding available for those who have true genetic or acquired physical disabilities.

OhDear

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