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Old 02-01-2008, 01:12 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Have you ever stopped to consider that if it wasn't for the high percentage of those people abusing the system, that perhaps your apartment could have had carpeting?

The simple fact is, there's a finite amount of money for the goverment to spread among the people who use those funds...And when 60% or better of those who are receiving those funds are those receiving it frauduantly...That means there's less monies to spread around period...

The ONLY thing that will fix the situation, is finding ways to remove those that are abusing the system...But those assigned that task are underfunded, under staffed, and over-worked by the huge number of recipents period...

A single caseworker is handling thousands of recipeints and there simply isn't enough funds or time to review each individual case, to do home-checks/inspections of each case...And to provide that extra staff/funds to pay that extra staff...That means even less monies available for those that need it most...

So rather then complain how little the goverment is giving you? Perhaps you should be investing a bit of time of your own to help them by reporting those individuals who are abusing the system themselves, who are taking away from the collective pot of funds available, so that there are more available funds to spread out to you and those that truely need the help?

You're blaming the wrong people NR...Not the right people.
Well, just to make sure that my younger sis is not abusing the system, Ali, she made a lot of doctor visits per workers comp, just to be sure she is not defrauding the system. And when they concluded that she is, indeed disabled, she will be well taken care of for the rest of her life.

As for me, I try and do my best to stay out of hospitals and pay fewer doctor visits. Even though my employer pays for my health insurance, it still costs too much for doctor visits and medicine.
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Well, just to make sure that my younger sis is not abusing the system, Ali, she made a lot of doctor visits per workers comp, just to be sure she is not defrauding the system. And when they concluded that she is, indeed disabled, she will be well taken care of for the rest of her life.

As for me, I try and do my best to stay out of hospitals and pay fewer doctor visits. Even though my employer pays for my health insurance, it still costs too much for doctor visits and medicine.
Highway, that's not what I'm talking about...I'm talking about the 'generational public aid' cases hon...Where for them, it's become an intutionalized way of life and whole families have been in the system for several generations...

And unfortunately because of those types of cases, people who really need the assistance are either being denied or the assistance available is drying up. There simply isn't the funds available to offer any useful/finanacial support that's needed by those who need it most.

That was what I was saying. Because of the 60% or more abusing the system, there's 60% or more who aren't receiving the help they desperately need. And of the 40% or less that are receiving some help because they really need it, they're not receiving all the help they deserve because the other percent has gotten their share taken out at the expense of others.

Personally, we need a complete overhaul and reassestment of funds going out. Some type of group that overlooks those funds and guarenteeing that the funds go to those who need it most, then to those that need some type of assistance, and get those off of it that don't need it at all.

But unfortunately, to do so means finding the funds to impliment such a task, and in the end that just means that those that need it most will do with even less help then what they already are receiving and fewer people who really need it getting denied...It's a vicious circle.

The only way it could be accomplished, is those that do know of fraudulant cases, reporting those cases to the proper departments. It may smack of being 'big brother's watching', but for every fraudulant case reported, 1 family that really needs the help can get that help. And those who need it and are already receiving it, get a bit more help as well.

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Old 02-01-2008, 01:29 PM   #153 (permalink)
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Highway, that's not what I'm talking about...I'm talking about the 'generational public aid' cases hon...Where for them, it's become an intutionalized way of life and whole families have been in the system for several generations...

And unfortunately because of those types of cases, people who really need the assistance are either being denied or the assistance available is drying up. There simply isn't the funds available to offer any useful/finanacial support that's needed by those who need it most.

That was what I was saying. Because of the 60% or more abusing the system, there's 60% or more who aren't receiving the help they desperately need. And of the 40% or less that are receiving some help because they really need it, they're not receiving all the help they deserve because the other percent has gotten their share taken out at the expense of others.

Personally, we need a complete overhaul and reassestment of funds going out. Some type of group that overlooks those funds and guarenteeing that the funds go to those who need it most, then to those that need some type of assistance, and get those off of it that don't need it at all.

But unfortunately, to do so means finding the funds to impliment such a task, and in the end that just means that those that need it most will do with even less help then what they already are receiving and fewer people who really need it getting denied...It's a vicious circle.

The only way it could be accomplished, is those that do know of fraudulant cases, reporting those cases to the proper departments. It may smack of being 'big brother's watching', but for every fraudulant case reported, 1 family that really needs the help can get that help. And those who need it and are already receiving it, get a bit more help as well.
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Have you ever stopped to consider that if it wasn't for the high percentage of those people abusing the system, that perhaps your apartment could have had carpeting?

The simple fact is, there's a finite amount of money for the goverment to spread among the people who use those funds...And when 60% or better of those who are receiving those funds are those receiving it frauduantly...That means there's less monies to spread around period...

The ONLY thing that will fix the situation, is finding ways to remove those that are abusing the system...But those assigned that task are underfunded, under staffed, and over-worked by the huge number of recipents period...

A single caseworker is handling thousands of recipeints and there simply isn't enough funds or time to review each individual case, to do home-checks/inspections of each case...And to provide that extra staff/funds to pay that extra staff...That means even less monies available for those that need it most...

So rather then complain how little the goverment is giving you? Perhaps you should be investing a bit of time of your own to help them by reporting those individuals who are abusing the system themselves, who are taking away from the collective pot of funds available, so that there are more available funds to spread out to you and those that truely need the help?

You're blaming the wrong people NR...Not the right people.
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Well, just to make sure that my younger sis is not abusing the system, Ali, she made a lot of doctor visits per workers comp, just to be sure she is not defrauding the system. And when they concluded that she is, indeed disabled, she will be well taken care of for the rest of her life.

As for me, I try and do my best to stay out of hospitals and pay fewer doctor visits. Even though my employer pays for my health insurance, it still costs too much for doctor visits and medicine.
Are you sure she's not abusing the system? Why doesn't she work? Has she tried to work? I she just lazy?

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No matter how anyone pays for a trip to ER, it is rather disconcerting to go there in the evening with a true emergency and find the waiting room cluttered up with a load of young mommas with toddlers, there for run-of-the-mill runny noses and ear infections.

For cry and out loud, People, go to the walk in clinic or your regular family doctor during the day. Walk-in clinics are open quite late even to give folk lots of time to get an appointment.

Save the ER for life-threatening conditions, accidents, and real injuries.

And our Good Sarge here is right. The cost to be seen in ER is much more than in a regular clinic.

Wherever there is "free medicine" there are lots of sick people. Want a prescription for Tussin???

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Are you sure she's not mabusing the system? Why doesn't she work? Has she tried to work? I she just lazy?
She got injured twice while on the job. She had several surgeries on her back and knees. She is in constant pain all day long. She wishes she could work, but her mobility is so limited now. She can't play tug with her dog. She can't lift, she can't climb ladders. She had cages put inside her back, then they were taken out in favor of rods. She very nearly died on the operating table a few years ago.
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George W. Bush said on national TV that all American do have health insurance...they go to the emergency room. So you can thank our government and laws for a lot of the emergency room problems.
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George W. Bush said on national TV that all American do have health insurance...they go to the emergency room. So you can thank our government and laws for a lot of the emergency room problems.
He said that today? All Americans DO have health insurance???
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He said it a month or so ago when he vetoed a bill for health insurance for poor kids. When he answered to the criticism he said they can go to the emergency room.
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