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Health Care Debate and defend your thoughts on the current health care system. Compare and contrast the current health care system of the US to other countries.

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Old 07-31-2008, 02:51 PM   #21 (permalink)
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When did the US private healthcare system use waiting lines to kill patients to save on costs?
I know the healthcare provided by the US Govt uses waiting lines to kill Americans, except for Politicians, Judges, Professors etc.....
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:54 PM   #22 (permalink)
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That's because the Swiss Govt. tells 80 year old people they will not be allowed to have heart bypass surgery to save their life.
Old 07-31-2008, 03:33 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:12 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:01 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The Swiss, like all countries with extensive Govt healthcare, provide "killer" healthcare to save a few bucks. Politicians know nothing about medical treatment.

Healthcare systems in transition--Switzerland.

The economic recession in the 1990s and the rise in unemployment has,
however, had a negative impact on the achievement of some goals. This applies
specifically to the objectives concerning health and quality of life, better
opportunities for the disabled, women’s health and healthy living.
In terms of health care delivery, the difficult economic climate has, in
contrast, encouraged more cost-effective and needs-oriented deployment of
resources, and this is certainly in keeping with several of the targets for health
for all. However, much still remains to be done in this area.

The concept of promoting health has become increasingly important in
both the public and private sectors. Today a wide variety of actors are pursuing
many activities based explicitly or implicitly on this concept. This is also the
context for the creation of the Swiss Foundation for Health Promotion (see the
section on the Organizational structure of the health care system and Ambulatory
health care).
The conclusions of the third evaluation report on the ongoing development
of the health for all strategy (12), however, are sobering. Current progress is
practically restricted because the information needed to implement a health
for all policy is lacking, and there is little activity in terms of formulating or
implementing a health policy based explicitly on the concept and principles of
health for all.

http://www.euro.who.int/document/e68670.pdf
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When did the US private healthcare system use waiting lines to kill patients to save on costs?
I know the healthcare provided by the US Govt uses waiting lines to kill Americans, except for Politicians, Judges, Professors etc.....
Their health care industries don't kill people do to systemic problems. And when they do, it becomes a scandal; why? Because their health industry is accountable to the public. The United States private health system meanwhile is killing 18,000 people each year, and sending countless others into bankruptcy and poverty, and they get away with it. The free market is tyrannical and undemocratic. The sooner people realize this, the sooner they will stop getting fucked sideways. Unfortunately they bitch about 'the man' and turn around and vote for people like George Bush and Bill Clinton.
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Old 08-06-2008, 08:06 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I am about to gag.

I think I agree with Gary's views on health care.

As for the student needing health care, most collages have plans you can opt into if you have no other coverage.

And there are those of us who have tried enrolling at least our children in various health care programs who have been told we don't qualify.
Old 08-07-2008, 12:03 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I am about to gag.

I think I agree with Gary's views on health care.

As for the student needing health care, most collages have plans you can opt into if you have no other coverage.

And there are those of us who have tried enrolling at least our children in various health care programs who have been told we don't qualify.

Hopefully that will change other than the promises GWB made in the 2000 Republican Platform in regards to the privataztion of health insurance.
Old 08-07-2008, 04:11 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Their health care industries don't kill people do to systemic problems. And when they do, it becomes a scandal; why? Because their health industry is accountable to the public. The United States private health system meanwhile is killing 18,000 people each year, and sending countless others into bankruptcy and poverty, and they get away with it. The free market is tyrannical and undemocratic. The sooner people realize this, the sooner they will stop getting fucked sideways. Unfortunately they bitch about 'the man' and turn around and vote for people like George Bush and Bill Clinton.
I do not see a scandal, more like dead bodies and finger pointing:

That shortcomings of the nation's health system could allow such a death toll is a matter of controversy in France. The administration of President Jacques Chirac and Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin laid the blame on families who had left their elderly behind without caring for them, the 35-hour workweek, which affected the amount of time doctors could work and family practitioners vacationing in August (Many companies traditionally closed in August, so people had no choice about when to vacation. Family doctors were still in the habit of vacationing at the same time).
The opposition, as well as many of the editorials of the local press, have blamed the administration. Many blamed Health Minister Jean-François Mattei for failing to return from his vacation when the heat wave became serious, and his aides for blocking emergency measures in public hospitals (such as the recalling of physicians). A particularly vocal critic was Dr Patrick Pelloux, head of the union of emergency physicians, who blamed the Raffarin administration for ignoring warnings from health and emergency professionals and trying to minimize the crisis. Mattei lost his ministerial post in a cabinet reshuffle on 31 March 2004.
2003 European heat wave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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