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Old 10-10-2008, 01:38 PM   #31 (permalink)
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What you have to realise is that the government want you sick and to die.
  • Don't believe all the hype. Cancer is the biggest money making industry in the world after oil.

    More people make money out of cancer than people who die from it. More people die from taking chemotherapy that those who do not. Not only does it kill cancer cells (tempory) but it also kills your good cells.

    But then threes so much money to be made out of chemotherapy so why would the government tell you about a cure.

    Cancer has been around so long now and is reaching epidemic proportions. Think about it, they can supposedly put three stooges on the moon and return them safely without a scratch in the 1960's but yet nearly 60 years later and all the modern technology, scientists and millions of funding they cant find a cure? Yeah right!

    They want you sick, threes no money to be made if you’re not sick. There is preventative measures that you can take that almost guarantees you will not get cancer, or even get rid of cancer. Cancer is only a lack of essential vitamins and a low immune system. All that is needed to protect you is a strong immune system fuelled by B17 and Vitamin D. Now most of the mainstream media and medical practitioners will tell you that B17 is dangerous or just a quack remedy. But notice who is telling you this, the establishment, the people who make money out of cancer.

    Goggle B17 and vitamin D, what have you got to loose? People are terrified to hear that there is cyanide in B17, but due to the mix of nutrients the cyanide is completely harmful to humans, it is only dangerous to bad cells as it kills them and protects your good cells. The problem with B17 is that it has almost been eradicated out of our modern diets. You can buy health food bars that are called B17 bars; they include apricot seeds, nuts, dates and grains. We have to top up our vitamin D in the winter.

    Don’t believe me go to www.doctorsaredangerous.com for starters.
    The governments are poisoning us through our water (fluoride & Chlorine doses, they use chlorine in rat poison!!) Cemtrals in the air over our city's and foods (chemicals) processed foods (chemicals) pollution, pharmaceutical drugs (chemicals for ex, the main ingredient in Prozac is also the main ingredient in rat poison).


HIV is a virus and can work its way out of the body naturally especially if your immune system is good. HIV does NOT lead to aids, its the medication that you tale that leads to aids.

More people live who do not take the HIV medicine than those who do!
Don’t take the medicine!!!
Go to you tube and type in Dr Gallo, he was financed by the US government in the sixties to come up with a deadly virus to reduce the black population in Africa. They named it Aids! And now they are trying to vaccinate the whole black population of Africa and the vaccinations include the aids virus!!! Mass genocide, but hey you wont find a word of this in the mainstream media because it is controlled by the powerful elites.


Back in 1976, the following ad began appearing in New York newspapers:
Last Chance for gay men to join the Hepatitis B* Vaccine Program!
*A sexually transmitted disease. Enrollment closes in June, after which the vaccine may not be available for several years. Take the FREE blood test to determine your HEPATITIS B status and eligibility for the program.
Over 1000 gay men took the free vaccination at a time when there was no such disease as AIDS. Then, by 1978 the infection began popping up all over the gay community. Strangely enough, it was predominate among the volunteers who had taken the free Hepatitis B vaccine. Within 5 years, 60 % of these men were infected with HIV.
[Ed. It goes without saying that you should avoid ANY government sponsored vaccine program, no matter how noble the cause may seem].

The program had been repeated the next year in San Francisco and Los Angeles, and as in New York, shortly after the vaccination for Hepatitis B, the west coast volunteers also began presenting with symptoms of AIDS.

In Africa, in 1977, a free vaccination against Smallpox was offered to the Black citizens of the countries with "population problems". The cost was borne by the United States Health Agencies as a "humanitarian gesture". Again, within 5 years, over 60 % of the recipients presented with the HIV virus, and, today well over 20 million face death from AIDS.

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Old 10-11-2008, 08:53 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Great site if you have medical questions for current research and previous research.

ScienceDirect - Infectious Disease Clinics of North America : Fever of Unknown Origin: Clinical Overview of Classic and Current Concepts
Old 10-11-2008, 09:31 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Very interesting post moment. I will look into what you say.
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I have never known a doctor who was not a millionaire by age 40 or so. Where are all the non-millionaire doctors hiding?
Even if they ARE millionaires....so what?

If there was no reward (financial or otherwise) why would anyone put themselves through the grind to become a doctor?

If a doctor only made as much as an accountant, then save yourself a few years of hard work and become an accountant.
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Even if they ARE millionaires....so what?

If there was no reward (financial or otherwise) why would anyone put themselves through the grind to become a doctor?

If a doctor only made as much as an accountant, then save yourself a few years of hard work and become an accountant.
Hard for someone like you, who appears to lack any endearing values, to realise that some people may put saving lives and serving their fellow man ahead of earning loadsamoney.
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Hard for someone like you, who appears to lack any endearing values, to realise that some people may put saving lives and serving their fellow man ahead of earning loadsamoney.

That is not what he is talking about
Old 10-14-2008, 10:10 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Hard for someone like you, who appears to lack any endearing values, to realise that some people may put saving lives and serving their fellow man ahead of earning loadsamoney.
Some people may....but hardly enough to produce the number of doctors this country seems to want.

It is the market at work, people become doctors because they can make money doing it...too many people become doctors then the amount of money they can make decreases...meaning fewer people become doctors...until the money they make rises.

It is the best way for millions of indviduals to decide how many doctors are needed.
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Some people may....but hardly enough to produce the number of doctors this country seems to want.

It is the market at work, people become doctors because they can make money doing it...too many people become doctors then the amount of money they can make decreases...meaning fewer people become doctors...until the money they make rises.

It is the best way for millions of indviduals to decide how many doctors are needed.
How come you don't make the same moronic argument about military personnel or NASA engineers?

The reality is there's no reason why Doctors can't make good money under a system of universal health care, they do pretty well in every other industrialised country.

And when doctors no longer need to hire swarms of paper-pushers to process insurance claims, they can afford to be paid even more.

And if America can catch up to the rest of the world by curing its addiction to excessive litigation, then doctors could save another fortune on indemnity insurance.

And as those 47 million uninsured would be included under universal health care there will be a substantial and immediate increase in demand for all kinds of medical professionals.

And with all the billions of wasted dollars suddenly released from a moribund and completely unnecessary health insurance industry, more money can be spent where it's needed - helping sick people get better.

How sad you can't see past the end of your nose


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Old 10-15-2008, 06:18 PM   #39 (permalink)
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How come you don't make the same moronic argument about military personnel or NASA engineers?


Who says I don't?

The possible exception is military personnel in time of war, but even then...if the war is justified, there won't be the need for a draft...people will volunteer.

NASA engineers is the same thing, if NASA needs more engineers, then they will pay them more.

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The reality is there's no reason why Doctors can't make good money under a system of universal health care, they do pretty well in every other industrialised country.


Sure they can make "good" money, but it is the possibility of making GREAT money that lures a lot of people into the medical field.

If you can make "good" money being a Doctor..and "good" money being an accountant...then why go to the extra schooling, years of internship and extremely long hours to be a Doctor?

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And when doctors no longer need to hire swarms of paper-pushers to process insurance claims, they can afford to be paid even more.
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And if America can catch up to the rest of the world by curing its addiction to excessive litigation, then doctors could save another fortune on indemnity insurance.

And as those 47 million uninsured would be included under universal health care there will be a substantial and immediate increase in demand for all kinds of medical professionals.

And with all the billions of wasted dollars suddenly released from a moribund and completely unnecessary health insurance industry, more money can be spent where it's needed - helping sick people get better.

How sad you can't see past the end of your nose

There is some sense to what you say, we...as a society... ARE too litigeous. But don't think that all of the "paper pushing" comes from insurance companies.

Insurance companies realize that money is wasted in paper pushing, and as has been pointed out...they don't like to waste money.

You know who LOVES to waste money? The Government.

Basically, with a universal health care system, you are asking the government to become our insurance company....and this may come as a shock to you....the government isn't really big on being efficient or saving money.
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Who says I don't?

The possible exception is military personnel in time of war, but even then...if the war is justified, there won't be the need for a draft...people will volunteer.

NASA engineers is the same thing, if NASA needs more engineers, then they will pay them more.

NASA engineers could earn a lot more money working in the A&D sector, but it's considered an honour to serve your country in NASA
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