Jeff, at least see what I'm talking about. Even you can see he contributes absolutely nothing to the debate.

try itunes

They're very popular in most of Europe, especially Germany and Russia, and also in the metal community in the U.S. Their best known song is "Du Hast." Get it off iTunes or something.

Some of their videos are on youtube.com also.

He won't look, so I'll post links to some of my personal favs.
YouTube - rammstein sonne complete
YouTube - Ich will
YouTube - Rammstein - Mein Teil (Warning: This one is pretty creepy)
YouTube - Rammstein-Du Riechst So Gut
YouTube - Rammstein - Weißes Fleisch (Live Aus Berlin)

I saw them live at the Roskilde music festival about 3 or 4 years back. I like their music alright but they are some racist schmucks. I'll never forget the site of 35,000 white Europeans giving the hitler salute over and over again in unison, in tempo with Rammstein. It gave me shivers down my spine (the bad kind).

Everything else was really entertaining (the fire, stage show, music, lights etc).

Ok well this thread is about circumcision.. Now pakistani culture sort of inhibits me from discussing stuff like this ( generally considered too private a matter ).

Anyhow as a muslim i was circumcised at birth. Many people consider it a mutilation, very often comparing it to the african custom of female circumcision. I can testify that such is not the case. Female circumcision is an atrocity committed in some cultures because of some misconstrued notion that women are not supposed to enjoy sex ( they may become harlots if they do.. how stupid is that?)

What i CAN testify to is that in denmark ( while i was relentlessly poked fun at during gym class - not funny when ur 15 ) many of my contemporaries suffered from various bacterial and fungal infections whereas i never did. Now i realize that if a person sustains basic levels of hygeine this risk is minimized. However in pakistan, even though many people don't have access to clean water, such infections are unheard of.

I think that it makes sense that HIV contraction is reduced also since bodily fluids have no place to get stuck ( in the event that a person doesn't take a post-coital shower).

I dunno guys this is of course ENTIRELY a personal choice, but i would sincerely recommend such a procedure for all boys. It is not a risky procedure, when done in infancy the pain is just not remembered, it cetainly does not affect your sex-drive or your sexual prowess, does not matter to women ( or so i hear), it is probably more hygeinic and altogether a pretty healthy thing to do.

Like he says in the movie East is East "tickle tackle all gone"

They're not racist. It's just the morons who think that just because they sing in German that they're nazis. It's idiots like that that gives the band a bad name. They've written songs in protest of those fans, and even one song supporting gay rights, so I highly doubt they have any nazi affiliation.

I have heard that it greatly reduces the risk of all kinds of infection, though I have no idea how or why. I had mine only shortly after I was born, and I don't even remember it.

The problem is it's such a sensitive issues in many cultures, sometimes even forbidden, so it would be extremely difficult to use it to our advantage. There's also that taboo among adults, which will probably prevent a lot of people from doing it.

I just think that it is better to teach a little boy good hygeine habits, than to remove parts of sensitive organs.