Smoking

Anti-choice57 · 05-06-2007, 02:49 PM

that second hand smoke study was wrong

Jbig · 05-06-2007, 04:10 PM

My opinion on the current post is going to be stupid, but plain and simple.

I think establishments should be ablet to decide whether or whether not smokers should be aloud in a store/restuarant or w/e.

tyreay · 05-06-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jbig

My opinion on the current post is going to be stupid, but plain and simple.

I think establishments should be ablet to decide whether or whether not smokers should be aloud in a store/restuarant or w/e.

I don't think thats a stupid opinion. The customer would have the choice of going elsewhere and the business owner would have to wiegh the business he loses against the benefits of allowing smoking.
On the other hand, I do think, they should just outlaw tobbacco all together.

teethandclaws · 05-06-2007, 04:57 PM

I don't think they should outlaw any plant. What about the people who use it for religious purposes that aren't really addicted to the natural plant?

tyreay · 05-06-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by teethandclaws

I don't think they should outlaw any plant. What about the people who use it for religious purposes that aren't really addicted to the natural plant?

I concede. Thats true. I'll rephrase:they should stop killing people with the wholesale capitalistic business practice of selling tobbacco.

teethandclaws · 05-07-2007, 03:28 PM

Okay, I'll go along with that. The additives and increased nicotine levels in commercially available tobacco products are not the same thing as wild tobacco.

nuttyjoe · 06-07-2007, 05:36 PM

Okay, I have an example that will definitely cause a stir- it already has with me.
Last night, we took my older brother and his wife to dinner to celebrate his recent promotion at work. The city we dined in has public non-smoking legislation. Now, my father is a smoker but he has accepted the new laws banning smoking indoors in public places and now does not smoke in restaurants anymore after years of doing so.
As we were set to pay our check, I came across a friend of mine I hadn't seen in about 20 years. It turned out that he was a part owner of the restaurant. Well; we got up to leave, and my long lost friend invited me to have a quick drink with him to exchange numbers, catch up on families, and so on. My dad said he would have a cigarette outside and wait for me. After about 30 minutes, I walked outside. What do you think I came across? Four police officers near my father and another woman screaming at the top of her lungs for the officers to arrest him.
It turned out that my father was sitting on a bench outside the restaurant and had smoked his cigarette. next to the bench was a cigarette urn- the globular type with sand or kitty litter in the bottom to put out the butts.
I listened as the officers tried to explain to the woman that they could not arrest my father because he smoked the cigarette outside in an obviously designated area because of the urn.
The woman continued shrieking that she was going to sue the police department for negligence, and the restaurant for violation of the anti-smoking laws. My father and I began to tire of this scene, so we informed one of the officers that if Dad was not under arrest; we were leaving. we gave him our address and phone number if the police needed us any further.
Well, guess what has transpired today? We just received a telephone call from the city attorney asking us to come in tomorrow and give a statement. The before mentioned woman has actually filed a complaint with the city's police department; and it looks like she is also trying to sue. What do you think of this?

CrazyFlamingos · 06-07-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe

Okay, I have an example that will definitely cause a stir- it already has with me.
Last night, we took my older brother and his wife to dinner to celebrate his recent promotion at work. The city we dined in has public non-smoking legislation. Now, my father is a smoker but he has accepted the new laws banning smoking indoors in public places and now does not smoke in restaurants anymore after years of doing so.
As we were set to pay our check, I came across a friend of mine I hadn't seen in about 20 years. It turned out that he was a part owner of the restaurant. Well; we got up to leave, and my long lost friend invited me to have a quick drink with him to exchange numbers, catch up on families, and so on. My dad said he would have a cigarette outside and wait for me. After about 30 minutes, I walked outside. What do you think I came across? Four police officers near my father and another woman screaming at the top of her lungs for the officers to arrest him.
It turned out that my father was sitting on a bench outside the restaurant and had smoked his cigarette. next to the bench was a cigarette urn- the globular type with sand or kitty litter in the bottom to put out the butts.
I listened as the officers tried to explain to the woman that they could not arrest my father because he smoked the cigarette outside in an obviously designated area because of the urn.
The woman continued shrieking that she was going to sue the police department for negligence, and the restaurant for violation of the anti-smoking laws. My father and I began to tire of this scene, so we informed one of the officers that if Dad was not under arrest; we were leaving. we gave him our address and phone number if the police needed us any further.
Well, guess what has transpired today? We just received a telephone call from the city attorney asking us to come in tomorrow and give a statement. The before mentioned woman has actually filed a complaint with the city's police department; and it looks like she is also trying to sue. What do you think of this?

I think she is a loon.

But I have a question, does the ordinance cover only buildings or does it say all public places?

Does it say that smoking is allowed in designated outdoor areas?

If there is no smoking in any public places then she is technically in the right and there should not have been an urn outside the door.

But she is still a loon for making such a big deal about it.

nuttyjoe · 06-07-2007, 07:40 PM

I'll find out tomorrow the exact wording of the ordinance for the city. I'm pretty sure it specified that "smoking indoors in a public area " was banned; but I'll double-check and get back to you.

garysher · 06-07-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe

I'll find out tomorrow the exact wording of the ordinance for the city. I'm pretty sure it specified that "smoking indoors in a public area " was banned; but I'll double-check and get back to you.

Several cities in the LA have banned smoking outdoors, including at some beaches, but I don't think the police are trying to enforce it!

I think it makes sense to ban smoking inside public places but it's ridiculous to ban smoking outdoors. What happened to the land of the free?

You should counter-sue and take this strident shrew for every penny she doesn't have!