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Old 06-09-2007, 11:02 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Somebody is going to have to explain to me the differece between being raped by an illegal immigrant and being raped by an American. How is one better than the other? Last time I looked; rape is a capital crime, no matter who commits it. Maybe some women out there can answer this one for me.
An illegal may or may not be prosecuted. An alien many times is deported. It is a less costly proposition for society to deport rather than prosecute offenders.

Many times an illegal alien is deported only to return again as soon as they get off of the bus.

To the person being raped. There is no diference, assault is simply an assault regardless of national origin of the perp.
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So do you think only people who agree with your political views should be allowed to remain as US citizens?
Yes, this is called Fascism.
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An illegal may or may not be prosecuted. An alien many times is deported. It is a less costly proposition for society to deport rather than prosecute offenders.

Many times an illegal alien is deported only to return again as soon as they get off of the bus.

To the person being raped. There is no diference, assault is simply an assault regardless of national origin of the perp.
I'm sorry if I'm sounding sarcastic, Rod; but it was you last sentence that I was looking for.There are some out there that seem to forget that the assault or rape is what is important here. The citizenship issue must take a backseat to this vile behavior- unless there is a female out there who can tell me that it shouldn't.
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I'm sorry if I'm sounding sarcastic, Rod; but it was you last sentence that I was looking for.There are some out there that seem to forget that the assault or rape is what is important here. The citizenship issue must take a backseat to this vile behavior- unless there is a female out there who can tell me that it shouldn't.
I am a female Joe. Agreed any violation of another human being is wrong and many have little regard for such violations. I wanted to point out the mental capacity of many illegal's. I recall very well in 1981 an illegal alien block a doorway as to prevent me from leaving an obscured area. I was young, intimidated easily and 96lbs. Not very well equiped to defend myself. I just stood there as I considered my options not sure what to do since the guy was so much larger than I. The guy had no fear of what he had intended to do to me. Exactly for the reasons I have already stated. I bless the Lord because He sent another person into that obscured area. The guy ran this guy off and walked me to my car. Many other personal observations through the years of behavior of illegal migrant workers has left a bad feel for allowing any illegal's to continue to get a jail free pass. They were passing through and behave as such in their mananerisms. Leaving destruction in their path as they headed for another state.
In 1994 I had a woman that was a legal immigrant that worked for us raped at knife point by an American citizen. She recieved little regard by the local law enforcement when it came time to prosecute the perpatraitor of the crime. (I am sure she still has the scars on her throat) You may take the time to ask yourself why? I believe it is pretty obvious unless you live in a gated enviroment and you are not exposed to the daily trials and tribulations happening out there of both sides of the fence by and too the imigrant population, illegal and legal. Age old discrimination due to lack of a normal decent thought process. People tend to have tunnel vision.
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I apologize for any misinterpretation here, Rod. What I meant originally was that the rape or assault upon another is one crime (the worst of the two), and the citizenship issue is another. If Illegal immigrants get a "free pass" in your community for commiting a crime like this, I believe your police department and local legal system are to blame. I do not want to relive your horrible experience; but how did you know this man was an illegal when you were confronted? What about the other woman who was attacked? Shouldn't her attacker have been punished to the full extent of the law, irregardless of what his citizenship status?
I won't comment on what you said about mental capacity. I am not a psychiatrist, psychologist, or sociologist and as such are not qualified to offer such an opinion.

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Old 06-14-2007, 02:45 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I apologize for any misinterpretation here, Rod. What I meant originally was that the rape or assault upon another is one crime (the worst of the two), and the citizenship issue is another. If Illegal immigrants get a "free pass" in your community for commiting a crime like this, I believe your police department and local legal system are to blame. I do not want to relive your horrible experience; but how did you know this man was an illegal when you were confronted? What about the other woman who was attacked? Shouldn't her attacker have been punished to the full extent of the law, irregardless of what his citizenship status?
I won't comment on what you said about mental capacity. I am not a psychiatrist, psychologist, or sociologist and as such are not qualified to offer such an opinion.
The person worked for a local farmer who would hire all illegals to save paying minimum wage. To answer your question I did not know this until later. The whole concept of being assaulted Joe is multiplied when the person should have never been in this country in the first place because they were "illegal". If the government was doing it's job instead of harboring cheap labor for a select few, that particular incident would not have happened. Local law enforcement generally does not bother with problems of immigration. This is what the claim used to be twenty years ago "that is up to Border Patrol" and the same standard remained even up to a few years ago. All the sudden a few people started looking into the crime, gangs created in more states than just portions of CA, NM, TX and AR when it started showing up in rural areas of IL, IA. OH and many other states.

To respond to your other? Yes, no doubt the one who assaulted her should have been hung from the highest (in my opinion). She was interrogated, poke, prodded and you name it when the incident happen. Due to political structure and the perpetrators family connections he was not prosecuted in the matter. It happens everyday as politics plays favorites in the justice system. Little known everyday people suffer at the hands of the privileged and some of the privileged are allowed to run amuck doing whatever, whenever they want to whomever they want.

Lastly, no degree or education, merely personal observation. I was there.
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Point taken, Rod. I just believe that when a crime of rape and/or assault is recieved the law enforcement authorities need to concentrate and prosecute that crime first and foremost. There is no doubt that that is the most serious offense of the two. I do agree, however, that immigration is a serious issue that needs to be adressed beforehand.I live in Illinois myself in a town with a largre Hispanic population. can a great deal of these be illegal immigrants? I'm sure of it. This is why I believe the two issues are seperate.
I agree with your comment about the privileged. Even though I am wealthier than 90% of America, I do not (and never have) believed that this gives me the right to break laws. To me, white-collar crime is especially hateful. I am proud of the fact that I worked and studied since I was a teenager and have seen the fruits of my efforts. I have seen such cases (I'm sure we all have) where some miscreant got away with the proverbial "slap on the wrist" for something commited that a "regular Joe" with have been prosecuted for. This is shameful that our society allows this. I believe a crime is a crime; no matter who commits it, and prosecution should have the same outlook.
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