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| Actually we are talking about over-extending a problem here. It would be the decision of the person asked to leave as to where they might go. Give 'em a ride to the border-and they are on their own. In any case, I don't see how it would be our responsibility to procure citizenship or temporary visa status for them; outside of them applying for such while they are here. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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As you know, I'm an immigrant. I came over here as an immigrant, and what gave me the opportunities, what made me to be here today, is the open arms of Americans. I have been received. I have been adopted by America.---Arnold Schwarzenegger Lucky you weren't Mexican and there where plenty of steroids for you! Gov Ducks Hard Questions About GM Who Killed the Electric Car? trailer Chronicles the life and mysterious death of the GM EV1 ArnoldWatch.Org Live the Light, Give the Light, Bring Heaven to Earth Every Day! http://youtube.com/watch?v=jBcwAJZGX...=john%20denver The ancient Greeks used to say, "You shall know a man by the friends that he keeps." Given the nature of their friends and advisers, what are we to conclude about the Republican party: Stop the madness before us it stops! Σταματήστε την τρέλα προτού να μας σταματήσεϊ Greek | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Okay now, my thoughts on welfare. I know I will be branded by some as a "reverse-racist" or worse because my views on this are draconian; but I really don't care. What we call welfare currently is nothing but a "free ride" to some. That's where I really have a problem.I'm all for the state or federal government giving short-term aid to people whom have lost employment due to cutbacks, downsizing, and other issues not in the hands of the employee. These people are what makes America grow. I would like to see welfare more re-designed to this end. If we are able to curtail the free-rides; we can fund the important issues we really need to, such as healthcare. Okay, here it is: It's the Blacks who are bleeding us dry! I'm more than sure that is what is going through some- if not many- minds. Is this true? It could be if you are categorizing all Blacks as welfare cases. But then you would have to justify this by addressing all the social problems of America idividually to attach Blacks to that category when if fact there really is only one thing that must be tackled first: unemployment. Okay, how can we tackle this? By the extreme measure of registration (yearly) of all Americans over the age of 22 or 23. This registration pool could be used by temporary employment agencies to garner clients. Will it work? There is only one way to find out- and by remembering that any effort made to solve a problem is better than no effort at all. Problems will arise (as they always do; but must be solved as they come up. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Houston, May 15, 2007: CorpWatch and its partners today released an alternative annual report on Halliburton titled: "Goodbye Houston" The new report was prepared in association with Halliburton Watch and the Oil & Gas Accountability Project. The new report (the fourth in the series) is being issued on the eve of Halliburton 's annual general meeting in Woodlands, Texas, on Wednesday, May 16th, 2007. An in-depth, hard-hitting report, "Goodbye Houston," provides a detailed look at Halliburton 's military and energy operations around the world as well as its political connections. It includes a series of recommendations for the company and its shareholders as well as for the United States policymakers. Halliburton is one of the 10 largest contractors to the U.S. military. It has earned over $20 billion from the U.S.military in war-related contracts in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion. This cash bonanza may well be over because of the cancelation of its two most lucrative contracts: oil infrastructure reconstruction and military base support. CorpWatch : Goodbye Houston: An Alternative Annual Report on Halliburton Download 2007 Alternative Annual Report http://s3.amazonaws.com/corpwatch.or...ads/hal2k7.pdf Download 2006 Alternative Annual Report http://s3.amazonaws.com/corpwatch.or...ouston2006.pdf Download 2005 Alternative Annual Report http://s3.amazonaws.com/corpwatch.or...uston.2005.pdf Download 2004 Alternative Annual Report http://s3.amazonaws.com/corpwatch.or...ds/houston.pdf North American Union to Replace the USA? - HUMAN EVENTS North American Union to Replace the USA? - HUMAN EVENTS North American Union - SourceWatch North American Union - SourceWatch Lou Dobbs: North American Union Orwellian Brave New World "The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." ~ J. Edgar Hoover When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent. ~ Isaac Asimov "Those of us who love peace must organize as effectively as the war hawks. As they spread the propaganda of war, we must spread the propaganda of peace. ~ Dr. Martin Luther King Jr." "If our nation is ever taken over, it will be taken over from within." ~ President James Madison Live the Light, Give the Light, Bring Heaven to Earth Every Day! http://youtube.com/watch?v=jBcwAJZGX...=john%20denver The ancient Greeks used to say, "You shall know a man by the friends that he keeps." Given the nature of their friends and advisers, what are we to conclude about the Republican party: Stop the madness before us it stops! Σταματήστε την τρέλα προτού να μας σταματήσεϊ Greek | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| CNN — LOU DOBBS TONIGHT — Aired October 2, 2007 - 18:00 ET KITTY PILGRIM, GUEST HOST: A new measure to crack down on employers of illegal aliens was put on hold again last night. A federal judge extended the delay of a proposed rule change by the Department of Homeland Security for another 10 days. Now, the new rule would increase penalties on employers who keep illegal aliens on the payroll. (BEGIN VIDEO TAPE) PILGRIM (voice-over): For years, the Social Security Administration has sent out so-called "no-match" letters. But a proposed DHS rule change would now inform employers they have 90 days to clear up discrepancies or face fines and possible charges. A lawsuit was filed by the ACLU and a coalition of labor and immigrant advocacy groups. Lawyers for the plaintiffs say the rule is discriminatory and DHS is putting an unfair burden on employers. LUCAS GUTTENTAG, ACLU ATTORNEY: The Department of Homeland Security is trying to create a legal liability out of the "no-match" letters that does not exist and that we don't believe can legally be imposed by changing the rule. It's not authorized by Congress. It's not part of the statute. And DHS does not have the authority to hijack the Social Security system to turn it into an immigration enforcement scheme. PILGRIM: But the government argues that the rule would give employers more than adequate time to ensure they're following laws already on the books. TOM DUPREE, DEPUTY ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL: This is a rule that provides much needed guidance and clarity to employers who want to comply with the law and who want to understand their obligations when they receive a "no-match" letter. This rule serves that purpose. PILGRIM: The updated "no-match" letters were supposed to start going out last month. The government has 140,000 letters ready to mail employers as soon as the judge grants permission. (END VIDEO TAPE) PILGRIM: Congressman Ted Poe is a strong supporter of toughening our laws on illegal immigration. And he asks, since it's already illegal to hire illegal aliens, why is this case even in court? Well, Congressman Poe joins me now from Capitol Hill. Thanks for being with us, sir. REP. TED POE (R), TEXAS: Thank you, Kitty. PILGRIM: You know, Judge Charles Breyer said that employees -- it would cause irreparable harm to enforce this. What do you think about it? You're a former judge yourself. POE: Irreparable harm means that somebody is going to jail for hiring illegals. It's been against the law for years for employers to knowingly hire illegals. Homeland Security now is basically telling the employers, we're going to enforce the law, you're going to have to pay fines if you hire illegals. And now we have a federal judge saying nope, don't tell the employers that, and basically preventing the enforcement of an old law against employers. PILGRIM: You know, I'd like to get your comments on a detail of this. The ACLU says DHS doesn't have a right to the Social Security Administration data. Now, the way this works is a letter goes out and says you have a "no-match" and a DHS notice accompanies the letter. That's not sharing data yet, is it? POE: That is not sharing data. And what happens is the Social Security Administration, if they get so many of these "no-match" from employers, they do notify Homeland Security and then Homeland Security does get involved and says, look, this could be used against you in court. They're putting them on notice. You've got 90 days to figure out what the problem is with this employer or employee, fire them if they're illegally in the country. And because of that, now a federal judge says, basically, do not enforce the law, do not hold employers accountable for knowingly hiring illegals. This is absurd. PILGRIM: You know, this 90 days -- here's what the AFL-CIO said after the ruling. I'd like to read it to you. Go ahead and we'll listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SCOTT KRONLAND, LAWYER FOR AFL-CIO: The department is seeking to impose new obligations on employers to re-verify employees. And we contend that the department does not have the legal authority to do that. (END VIDEO CLIP) PILGRIM: New obligations -- it's always been the obligation of an employer to verify that the Social Security matches the employee, correct? POE: No question about it. They have an ongoing duty to make sure that the people they hire have a name -- that name matches Social Security numbers. It has been the law. Members of Congress have notified Homeland Security that they have the authority under the law to go ahead and let these employers know that they could be prosecuted. They have the authority to do that. We've got a federal judge that says, no, you can't do anything about illegal immigrants. And, once again, we have those who pander to the cheap plantation labor getting their way in court, to the detriment of the United States. PILGRIM: Let's talk about someone who is here legally. If they find out their Social Security doesn't match their name because of a typing error or a misspelling, some failure to change the name after becoming married or something, it's to their benefit to have this straightened out, isn't it? This does not penalize people who are here legally who are working legally. POE: That is correct. It doesn't penalize people who are here legally. It doesn't penalize American citizens who, for, as you mentioned, changed their names. Homeland Security is telling these employers, you've got a mismatch here. Figure out what the problem is and if the person is illegally in the country, you could be fined for hiring this person. Otherwise, correct the mistake with the Social Security Administration. So I think putting them on notice is a good thing. And they shouldn't be -- the Homeland Security certainly shouldn't be prohibited from prosecuting people who continue to hire illegals. PILGRIM: Congressman Ted Poe, thank you very much for coming on the program tonight. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Interesting. I wonder if my employer will get a letter, since I haven't changed my name with the SSA since I got married. Probably should see about getting that done, soon...LOL It's only been 8 years. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Now here we are back to the American's other problem- We can't decide how best to implement our laws; thereby making them close to useless. In this scenario; we have the government requiring action to correct "no-match Social Security numbers by employers. I don't have a problem with that. This action does not need to be immediate termination; if the employer and employee has documentation to show that he has been made aware of the problem and are working to correct this problem. I would probably just add that an employer should not even hire a prospective employee if there is a problem in this area. Unfortunately, these hopefuls would have to receive the "we'll keep your application or resume on file" treatment. Cruel? maybe. but this is where cracking down on illegal immigrant employment has to start.Why is it so hard to accept this? Is it because employers want to have prospective employees start work before verification? This was posed to me in a discussion as a source of discontent. What should we do? Verification Centers ? Possibly. The establishment of such could cut down mean time on such problems. What do you think? | |||||||||||||||||||||
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I think that most of the jobs that I have ever had, I started within 1 week after applying. And I have had at least one where they wanted me "tomorrow". Somehow I think that if employers began waiting to verify matching social security numbers before hiring that the country would come to a grinding halt. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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