Defending the Truth

After months of working to stop the illegal flow of aliens into our country, we're making some headway!!! To all who've worked towards this end, you will be delighted to read the following news article:

Illegal immigrants moving out
USA Today : September 27 , 2007 -- by Emily Bazar

Illegal immigrants living in states and cities that have adopted strict immigration policies are packing up and moving back to their home countries or to neighboring states.

The exodus has been fueled by a wave of laws targeting illegal immigrants in Oklahoma, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia and elsewhere. Many were passed after congressional efforts to overhaul the immigration system collapsed in June.


Immigrants say the laws have raised fears of workplace raids and deportation.


"People now are really frightened and scared because they don't know what's going to happen," says Juliana Stout, an editor at the newspaper El Nacional de Oklahoma. "They're selling houses. They're leaving the country."


Supporters of the laws cheer the departure of illegal immigrants and say the laws are working as intended.




Oklahoma state Rep. Randy Terrill, Republican author of his state's law, says the flight proves it is working. "That was the intended purpose," he says. "It would be just fine with me if we exported all illegal aliens to the surrounding states."


Most provisions of an Oklahoma law take effect in November. Among other things, it cuts off benefits such as welfare and college financial aid.


There's no hard demographic data on the trend, partly because it's hard to track people who are in the USA illegally. But school officials, real estate agents and church leaders say the movement is unmistakable.


In Tulsa, schools have seen a drop in Hispanic enrollment.


About 60% of Kendall-Whittier Elementary School's 950 students are Hispanic, Principal Judy Feary says. Since an enrollment report Sept. 10, she says, 14 have left. Four more said last week that they would move.


Three weeks ago, one couple dropped their three children at school, then returned after lunch with their belongings packed in an SUV and trailer. Feary says they took the kids and said they were moving back to Mexico. "They were afraid and cited the immigration law," she says.


Marshall Elementary, where enrollment is 60% Hispanic, has lost about 10 students this year to the immigration law, Principal Kayla Robinson says. Most moved to Texas. "These are families that have been here for a long time," she says.


Illegal immigrants also are leaving Georgia, where a law requires companies on government contracts with at least 500 employees to check new hires against a federal database to make sure they are legally authorized to work.


Mario Reyes, senior minister at the Tabernacle of Atlanta, says his church lost about 10 families this summer. His daughter, a real estate agent, is helping them sell their homes.


Churches across the city report similar losses, says Antonio Mansogo, a board member of the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders.


"There's tension because you don't know when immigration (agents) might show up, and a lot of people don't want to take those chances," he says.


Real estate agent Guadalupe Sosa in Avondale, Ariz., outside Phoenix, says migration from the state began about three months ago, shortly after Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, signed a law that will take effect in January. Employers who hire illegal immigrants can lose their business licenses.


Of the 10 homes Sosa has on the market, half belong to families that plan to leave because of immigration tensions.


"They know they might be losing everything today or tomorrow," she says.


Maria Sanchez, 35, joined the migration with her sister and nephew, who are in the country legally. Sanchez was in the USA illegally, but she has gotten a temporary work permit.


The three lived in Aurora, Colo., when Sanchez was fired from her job as district manager of a fast-food chain after she couldn't provide a valid Social Security number.


Colorado has approved several immigration measures. One gives employers 20 days to check and photocopy documents such as driver's licenses and Social Security cards, which new workers present to prove their legal status.


Because of the laws, Sanchez, her sister and nephew left five months ago. "I moved to Utah because they don't have the same laws here," she says.


State Sen. Dave Schultheis says he hasn't observed a major migration out of Colorado but has heard anecdotal reports that illegal immigrants are leaving. "It's absolutely a good thing," he says. "We want to make Colorado the least friendly state to people who are here illegally."


In Hazleton, Pa., families started moving away after the city passed an illegal-immigrant law last summer, says Rudy Espinal, head of the Hazleton Hispanic Business Association. The law would fine landlords who rented to illegal immigrants and suspend the business licenses of companies that hired them. A companion measure would require tenants to register with the city and pay $10 for a rental permit.


A federal judge ruled the measures unconstitutional in July, but that hasn't stopped people moving away, he says.


"People are still leaving," Espinal says. "Some people have told me that they're leaving because they don't want their kids to grow up in an environment like this."


Hazleton Mayor Lou Barletta counters that some illegal immigrants who moved came back after the judge's decision, which the city is appealing. "I see a reversal," he says. "In a small city, it becomes obvious. ... Schools are overcrowded and there are five-hour waits in the emergency room."


He says, "We don't want to chase immigrants away, just the illegal aliens who are causing many of the problem we are having."

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See? It doesn't cost us anything to "deport" them!! They will leave on their own. Actually, we will save money in the short run in welfare payment, free housing, education (interpreters) unpaid medical services (a tab that we, the taxpayer pick up), not to mention crime, uninsured drivers, etc., etc.

Pregnant woman with knife fends off Mexican Alien Rapists
The Associated Press Tucson, Arizona | Published: 09.22.2007

Woman with knife fends off attacker | www.azstarnet.com ®
Abel Reyes ; Filemon Del Hoyo ; Isidro Mendoza

PHOENIX ‹ A pregnant woman fended off a thief with a pocketknife in Gilbert and later said the man had "messed with the wrong girl."

Tracy Mann, 21, who said she is three months pregnant, was walking home from work at about 12:40 a.m. Thursday when she spotted a truck parked with its door open and no one inside.

Mann became suspicious and pulled out her pocketknife.

That's when a man appeared and asked Mann for a cigarette and then to borrow her cell phone. Mann said she didn't answer him either time and kept walking, but had flipped open the knife's blade.

The man then grabbed her purse and started pulling it along with Mann.

Mann fought back with the knife. "He was just tugging me and the purse, and I just started slashing at him," she said.

She said she didn't stop slashing until the man let her go and ran away. Mann followed him up an embankment of rocks to a waiting truck so she could write down the license plate number.

Mesa police found the truck a short time later in Mesa and arrested Filemon Del Hoyo, 18, Abel Lorenzo Reyes, 18, and Isidro Mendoza, 22, all of Mesa.

Police say Del Hoyo was the one who tried to grab Mann's purse. He was taken to a hospital and had surgery for knife wounds. He faces attempted-robbery charges, and Reyes and Mendoza face charges of conspiracy to commit robbery.

Del Hoyo, an illegal immigrant, had been arrested last month on charges of third-degree burglary and underage drinking. He was sentenced to probation and was voluntarily removed from the country on Monday, Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Vinnie Picard said.

That means Del Hoyo illegally re-entered the country between Monday and Thursday.

Del Hoyo was discharged from the hospital Friday afternoon, but it was unclear if he was in custody.

Reyes and Mendoza were being held in Maricopa County jail.

Gilbert police spokesman Lt. Eric Shuhandler praised Mann's ability to defend herself. "Good for her for being aware of her surroundings and not becoming a victim," he said.

Mann credited growing up in Chicago for being tough. She said she always carries her pocketknife "because you just never know.

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She is a very lucky lady! However, using a knife is dangerous. He could have taken it from her and used it on her. I suggest she start carrying a .45 just to be on the safe side!

Now I know many people probably think me to be "soft" on the immigration issue. But actually, I like the fact that this post indicates that striking the monetary sources and the fear of those businesses losing their liscenses seems to me to be what is making this work. I have said all along that for all of the illegals you may see fit to complain about; there is a business here in America that is hiring them. If we attack on that front, we could stem thetide of illegal immigrant flow into America. These businesses should be made to establish "immigration centers" along the border-and pay the costs of such. We all understand that America is a land of immigrants. We just want it done lawfully. We also understand that Mexicans are coming here in search of opportunities they never could have in Mexico. But if done legally; many of us wouldn't have a problem with this. Correct?

Yes, very true.

And I agree. We need to cut off their reason for being here, namely jobs and welfare.

I'm assuming you mean the ability to obtain these two items so easily. If so, then I agree most definitely. Again, this is the American part of the problem that we must address. We must enfore our hiring practices more efficiently and more often start putting many companies "under the microscope"- so to speak. Welfare must be re-defined and changed from being what it is now- a way of life for some, and a quick entry into the American "system" for others, into what should be called "short-term governmental assistance" available to those whom have been laid off from work or veterans of our armed forces or people who have came upon this unfortunate circumstance through no fault of their own; but decision made by others to do so. This is what welfare should be; and who it should be available for. I don't want to launch into a rant right now about this certain subject- but suffice it to say that is probably the closest thing to Al Sharpton that angers me to such a large degree. In the interest of debate, I will do so later after I run some errands.

Yes, I agree. Welfare should be a hand up, not a hand out.

How do you feel about the 'born here, automatically a citizen' rule? Pregnant women, crossing the border shortly before birth so that their child is a citizen, and therefore she gets to stay, and probably has her child at the emergency room at taxpayers cost?

I know it has been law in the past, but this is another thing that could stand being changed. I could live with one of the newborns parents ( in your instance the father) being an American citizen thereby the child being of dual citizenship. As I understand it; that is the law now. But in your scenario if the mother or father both were not a citizen; then no, I would say this would be such a case for deportation back to Mexico. As far as the costs incurred; while I never have or will advocate the refusal of medical services to anyone, I say the Mexican government must bear the costs.

That's a good idea. At least one parent has to be a citizen in order to be a citizen, even if you are born here.

Some kind of concession should be made, I think though, for people who are here legally and are seeking citizenship. If they have a child and are in the process of becoming a citizen, their child should be afforded the rights of a citizen. But if you are here illegally, all bets are off.

Now do you see where just you and I are heading, Knot? I just can't understand why our government and citizenry does not see possible what can be accomplished by looking at problems from all angles, from all perspectives.

Surely there's an issue with refusing citizenship to people born in a country. If you decide to deport someone who was born in your country and has lived there all their life, where would you deport them to? And why would you expect the government of the country you're proposing deporting them to have any legal obligation to take them?