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Old 07-18-2005, 07:26 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:05 PM   #22 (permalink)
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America's immigration policy is a fucking joke. We are letting these fucking border hoppers stay in this country illegally, while we are the ones paying for them. We need to do the reasonable thing and send them fucking spics BACK where they belong; in that junk yard we call Mexico
Forward: I have indeed already realized that the only way to rid the good Earth of white nationalists is by A.) waiting for them to die off, or B.) kill them off by yourself. To be honest, I wouldn't risk my freedom to waste a few nazi shitbags; not that I'm up for killing people in the first place...

For starters, your statement is almost as pointless as your very own existence. Ask yourself this- who's fault is it that these 'illegals' (humans with the very same rights to all of Earth as you and me) are coming into America? Big business, your own government with their free trade agreements. The minimum wage in Mexico has been steadily declining since the early 80's when American businesses were given the right to move their factories to foreign countries for the sake of cheap labor. The average Mexican worker makes $1.38 a day. Working conditions are not choice; they are very undesirable to say the least.

In other words, are you really that apathetic?

You also have to realize that in addition to paying for their stay in the lovely United States of Amerikkka, you're also paying for them to enter; yes, inviting them, you could say. The war on drugs costs the US billions every year; operations in the destruction of coca and mota fields target not only commercial farmers, but tradional farmers. The destruction of personal fields through airraids (herbicides dumped on the fields) are not uncommon. People who deliver drugs to the USA or plain old indigenous farmers are affected; worst come to worst, there's always work in America, right?

Let's be honest with outselves, marijuana and cocaine are in demand in the US; can you stop the production and distribution of drugs? history has proven -- NO. Can you regulate it? Well it's certainly worth a try, but I personally do not advocate legalization; it's an open door for big business and yet MORE indigenous/worker exploitation.

The war on drugs is pointless; if anything it promotes drug use in the US and violence in South, Central, and North America, because druglords will just do that much more to have their merchendise sold. When you look into it, you'll find that the US has what South and Central America lack -- drug culture; we have the time, we have the money. It comes to the US whether we like it or not and it will always be hype, human stupidity and nothing more.

The only efficient way of getting rid of illegal aliens is to get rid of borders and the authority that creates them. Oh, and capitalism...

Would you rather not have money at all and live autonomously, depending on yourself to live happily? Or have money and let the bigwigs waste it on trying to figure out how to bring order to a world in a constant state of chaos?
You made a great point, but I could never be for them being here.
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:08 PM   #23 (permalink)
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You made a great point, but I could never be for them being here.
Who is them?
Old 07-18-2005, 10:13 PM   #24 (permalink)
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You made a great point, but I could never be for them being here.
Who is them?
Every illegal immigrant, not just the hispanics.
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:15 PM   #25 (permalink)
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You made a great point, but I could never be for them being here.
Who is them?
Every illegal immigrant, not just the hispanics.
Wow... You don't get it do ya? If we change the rules, they will no longer be illegal.
Old 07-18-2005, 10:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
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You made a great point, but I could never be for them being here.
Who is them?
Every illegal immigrant, not just the hispanics.
Wow... You don't get it do ya? If we change the rules, they will no longer be illegal.
So we should just let anyone in? So they can take another job away from a hard working American. Just lately my dad's friend worked in a job for 14 years and recently got laid off because three ILLEGALS would do it for exactly the same wage, its bullshit, they should not be here.
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:24 PM   #27 (permalink)
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So we should just let anyone in? So they can take another job away from a hard working American. Just lately my dad's friend worked in a job for 14 years and recently got laid off because three ILLEGALS would do it for exactly the same wage, its bullshit, they should not be here.
Not anyone, but I do think we need to reform policies. Sounds to me like you have a beef with Mexicans. I know you said not just hispanics, but I am guessing the 'illegals' who took your friends job were not from Belgium.
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So we should just let anyone in? So they can take another job away from a hard working American. Just lately my dad's friend worked in a job for 14 years and recently got laid off because three ILLEGALS would do it for exactly the same wage, its bullshit, they should not be here.
Not anyone, but I do think we need to reform policies. Sounds to me like you have a beef with Mexicans. I know you said not just hispanics, but I am guessing the 'illegals' who took your friends job were not from Belgium.
I dont have beef with Mexicans, they just contribute the most to the illegal immigration in this country. You are right though, they were indeed Hispanics. My main problem with illegals is that they expect us to help them. Most of them are to damn lazy to learn our language because they figure we should change our society so that it best fits their personal interests. It's complete bullshit. Everywhere I look around I see signs in Spanish, is this Little Mexico or is this the United States? I am not sure anymore. Every Democrat complains about the high unemployment rate in this country, well BINGO maybe these illegals contribute to the high unemployment rate.

And for the record it is illegal to hire them, I think they should have more strict policies about illegals working in the United States. I can go on and on about how they are hurting our economy more than helping it but I can getting tired of typing, its just bullshit, we have Americans that would do the same jobs if given the chance.
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:44 PM   #29 (permalink)
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So we should just let anyone in? So they can take another job away from a hard working American. Just lately my dad's friend worked in a job for 14 years and recently got laid off because three ILLEGALS would do it for exactly the same wage, its bullshit, they should not be here.
Not anyone, but I do think we need to reform policies. Sounds to me like you have a beef with Mexicans. I know you said not just hispanics, but I am guessing the 'illegals' who took your friends job were not from Belgium.
I dont have beef with Mexicans, they just contribute the most to the illegal immigration in this country. You are right though, they were indeed Hispanics. My main problem with illegals is that they expect us to help them. Most of them are to damn lazy to learn our language because they figure we should change our society so that it best fits their personal interests. It's complete bullshit. Everywhere I look around I see signs in Spanish, is this Little Mexico or is this the United States? I am not sure anymore. Every Democrat complains about the high unemployment rate in this country, well BINGO maybe these illegals contribute to the high unemployment rate.

And for the record it is illegal to hire them, I think they should have more strict policies about illegals working in the United States. I can go on and on about how they are hurting our economy more than helping it but I can getting tired of typing, its just bullshit, we have Americans that would do the same jobs if given the chance.
Did you know we do not have an official language here? Do you really expect people to leave their cultures behind? Have you ever lived in a city? You can drive within a one mile radius of my home and find signs in Polish, Spanish, Cambodian, Japanese, Portugese, Italian, Irish and other languages. It's called diversity, and it's a good thing. It makes us a richer society. You said they are too LAZY to learn English? Too LAZY? That's sickening. The fact of the matter is, we are the lazy ones. We are one of the few countries in the world where it is not common to be multi-lingual. For some reason people who grow up as English speakers are very arrogant and expect everyone else to learn our language. It's a shame. Do you realize that English is one of the most complicated and difficult languages in the world to learn, and most native speakers can not even speak it correctly. There was a lot of repressed ignorance and intolerance in your post. I hope you can open your mind.
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So we should just let anyone in? So they can take another job away from a hard working American. Just lately my dad's friend worked in a job for 14 years and recently got laid off because three ILLEGALS would do it for exactly the same wage, its bullshit, they should not be here.
Not anyone, but I do think we need to reform policies. Sounds to me like you have a beef with Mexicans. I know you said not just hispanics, but I am guessing the 'illegals' who took your friends job were not from Belgium.
I dont have beef with Mexicans, they just contribute the most to the illegal immigration in this country. You are right though, they were indeed Hispanics. My main problem with illegals is that they expect us to help them. Most of them are to damn lazy to learn our language because they figure we should change our society so that it best fits their personal interests. It's complete bullshit. Everywhere I look around I see signs in Spanish, is this Little Mexico or is this the United States? I am not sure anymore. Every Democrat complains about the high unemployment rate in this country, well BINGO maybe these illegals contribute to the high unemployment rate.

And for the record it is illegal to hire them, I think they should have more strict policies about illegals working in the United States. I can go on and on about how they are hurting our economy more than helping it but I can getting tired of typing, its just bullshit, we have Americans that would do the same jobs if given the chance.
Did you know we do not have an official language here? Do you really expect people to leave their cultures behind? Have you ever lived in a city? You can drive within a one mile radius of my home and find signs in Polish, Spanish, Cambodian, Japanese, Portugese, Italian, Irish and other languages. It's called diversity, and it's a good thing. It makes us a richer society. You said they are too LAZY to learn English? Too LAZY? That's sickening. The fact of the matter is, we are the lazy ones. We are one of the few countries in the world where it is not common to be multi-lingual. For some reason people who grow up as English speakers are very arrogant and expect everyone else to learn our language. It's a shame. Do you realize that English is one of the most complicated and difficult languages in the world to learn, and most native speakers can not even speak it correctly. There was a lot of repressed ignorance and intolerance in your post. I hope you can open your mind.
The problem maybe that you are to open-minded. When you are talking about multi-lingual countries, your talking about all those, where many languages are forced down their throats because they are all connected. Plus, I dont expect everyone to learn our language, only the ones that work and live here. It's sickening, I shouldn't go to a highly Hispanic part of a town and be expected to speak Spanish. I am willing to except that these people have hard times finding a job in their own country but if they really cared they should go through the process of becoming a legal citizen. What do we tell the legal citizens, 'Hey you are a fool, you went through the process of becoming a legal citizen when all you really had to do was jump a fence and take a job away from a worthless, lazy, American.

They don't have to leave their culturs behind, but they don't have to change our's to make them feel more at home. For the record, I live 15 minutes from many cities.
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