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Old 04-22-2006, 09:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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WHITE PLAINS, April 27 — A heated battle over the closing of a day-laborer hiring site in Mamaroneck moved into the courtroom on Thursday when a Latino civil rights organization sued the village, saying it violated the rights of the laborers by refusing to let them congregate. The lawsuit, filed in Federal District Court here on behalf of six unnamed laborers, accuses the mayor and the police chief of Mamaroneck of using various tactics, from police checkpoints to aggressive ticketing, in a "deliberate and coordinated" campaign to drive immigrant workers off the streets. The Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, which filed the suit, said it hoped to win an injunction against the village and the police. ...Before the site was closed in February, 200 men typically gathered there each day and used it as a public toilet and a place to sleep or loiter... ...The defense fund, in seeking an injunction, argued that the village was violating the constitutional rights of the workers to assemble and to exercise free speech, rights that it said are protected by law even though the six plaintiffs and many other laborers in Mamaroneck are not citizens.
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onthefence,
::ever play wheres waldo?

here is a new one find the taxpayer in that photo::

Hilarious and right on.

hevusa -

It is absolutely untrue that we "stole their land". The US government not only won that land in battle - the same way so many other lands have been won and are retained - but they also PAID Mexico fifteen million dollars for it.
Even after winning it fairly and squarely.
Do you have any conception of the value of $15 million back in the 1840s or whenever that war ended (I know it was sometime around then).

Why don't you - just for once - experiment with the notion of NOT demonizing America.
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onthefence,
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here is a new one find the taxpayer in that photo::

Hilarious and right on.

hevusa -

It is absolutely untrue that we "stole their land". The US government not only won that land in battle - the same way so many other lands have been won and are retained - but they also PAID Mexico fifteen million dollars for it.
Even after winning it fairly and squarely.
Do you have any conception of the value of $15 million back in the 1840s or whenever that war ended (I know it was sometime around then).

Why don't you - just for once - experiment with the notion of NOT demonizing America.
You say "won in battle" I say "stole". They were there first.
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Yes, and every other country on the planet is populated with the very first hominids who stood up on two legs there, right Hev?

Also interesting how you think paying fifteen million dollars for something equals "stealing" it.*

*I should mention that the US government also assumed any obligations of those territories at the time.
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so all that money I lost playing poker last night.... was really stolen!?!?
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So if we get invaded tomorrow they just won it in battle?

Just give them citizenship and let's get on with things.
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Ha! That will teach you to play poker with the 'blue-eyed devils', fence.

If someone is concerned about "Azlan" being so-called stolen property, then why give it back to some of the "thiefs"...

The people who were there first (at least as far as we know) were the American Indians. Spain took it from them and then GAVE it to Mexico.

Let's at least have some consistency here.
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Hev :: So if we get invaded tomorrow they just won it in battle? ::

If we get invaded and they manage to pull off a decisive defeat of this country
then yes they won it in battle.
But
Why should they...with the help of nearly the entire Democratic party and a whole lot of the Republican, a "bloodless reconquista" is so much more pleasant.
More on this possibly when I come back tonight.
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They aren't going anywhere. We might as well work out a deal.
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