Ya I love my white house connections. Slave labour or not it still is better than how some of them were living before.

Hayling, blue ribbon to you for the most feeble argument I've yet seen on this topic.

Sooo...you contend that these "crap jobs" and slave labor are still better than what they had before.
I agree.
But yet you also told me in a prior post that lots of people in those execrable conditions (which are worse even than slave-like jobs in the USA) would NOT wish to come here.
Then,
Would you mind explaining to me why they wouldn't want to come here?
And since you clearly won't be able to do that, do you think you could get around to answering my question to you a few posts back: should we just let everyone in who wants to live here?

ahhhhh u miss quote me yet again. there are many wealthy people in south america i said that wouldnt want to come her. some of south america is very nice and classy although the majority isnt. no i dont think we should just let everyone in who wants to live here. i think we should, well america should, have a far better immigration policy and consequences for illegals crossing the border. but for some of these people they have nothin to lose and everything to gain so consequences or not they will try to get in illegaly.

What complete rubbish: show me one place I misquoted you, either previously OR currently. You did NOT say "many wealthy people would not want to come here"; you merely said that "many people do not want to come here."
The fact is,
Only a tiny percentage of people enjoy anything "nice and classy" [your words] south of the border.
The people who do enjoy such circumstances look quite a bit different from the poor wretched hoardes that are constantly encouraged by Vicente Fox and US corporations to sneak over the border...

Different how, you may ask ?
Those who live in comfort and luxury are usually taller and lighter-skinned, for one thing. They are the class of persons customarily seen performing in those abysmal soap operas on the cable Mexican tv.
Are you starting to get it?
In other words,
The class system in Mexico is far more "racist" than any of the Minutemen could be, even in your wildest dreams.

So if 'they will try', then we should just throw up our hands and let them pull it off, right Hayling?
Do you know how many per year are now coming in illegally according to the latest figures?
Do you have any idea of the kind of pinching and straining that is going on in the schools, hospitals, roads?
Look,
I know you are very young, and that you have only the most abstract concept of what is really happening down here, because you live in Canada.
I have relatives near the border at Nogales, AZ who live in fear for their lives every day of the week - with good reason.
And as some posters know, I live in a neighboring state which is also on the southern border.
I should not continue talking to you about this because

1) for you it is only an academic discussion; and
2) I'm hotheaded on this issue to begin with, plus I got only four hours' sleep last night.

I will copy the section of your post that you claim I misquoted.

Here is your statement which you claimed I "misquoted"; it is from your own post #45 and was in answer to my questions [you also had my questions copied at the top but I did not bother to include my questions here because the issue now is whether your words were misquoted:

So as you can see I did no such thing as misquote you, not last night and not prior to last night. What you said is that there are a lot of people down there who do not want to come to the US; you did not specify "wealthy people".

Good night all

CNN -- LOU DOBBS TONIGHT -- Aired May 12, 2006 - 18:00 ET

DOBBS: This nation's illegal alien crisis has triggered a serious nationwide identity theft crisis. And when our officials talk about identity theft, they seldom mention illegal immigration and the role it's playing.

Prosecutors tonight say illegal aliens are increasingly stealing Social Security numbers from America's children. In their efforts to work in this country illegally, illegal aliens are jeopardizing the future of some of our youngest citizens.

Kitty Pilgrim reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KITTY PILGRIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): According to tax records, this little girl in Utah was driving 80 miles a day to work in a steakhouse. She's clearly not doing that. Her Social Security number was being used by an illegal alien for work papers. Her mother was outraged.

KELLY SMITH, MOTHER: That somebody could buy my daughter's Social Security number without any of us knowing, that it could have gone on for 16 years, we were lucky that it got caught when she was 5. But it still went on for five years.

PILGRIM: The attorney general's office uncovered the fraud and called the family, but Utah estimates at least 80,000 illegal aliens live in the state and a growing number are using stolen Social Security numbers for work papers. For Utah, it's a newly-discovered crime that has grown in the last five years, but now the crime is epidemic.

RICHARD HAMP, UTAH ASST. ATTORNEY GENERAL: In the year 2000, 132,000 Utahns had had their Social Security numbers compromised by someone else using them for employment purposes, more than likely mostly illegal immigrants that were here using them. That was roughly about 5 percent of the Utah population back then, which is a huge number. There's no other crime that I know of that affects 5 percent of the population at once like that does.

PILGRIM: Utah began aggressively pursuing Social Security fraud when it found widespread abuse in its public assistance program. The federal government hasn't been nearly as aggressive.

KIRK TORGENSEN, UTAH CHIEF DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL: I am just dumbfounded that we as a government can sit back and know that that information is there, know that that individual, the legitimate person with a number, could be victimized, may be being victimized, and that we're not doing anything to notify that person.

PILGRIM: The national office of the Social Security Administration says numbers from children are often stolen from medical paperwork when they are infants. Children are targeted because discrepancies are less likely to turn up until they look for a job in their teenage years.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PILGRIM: The Social Security Administration today told us by law they're not allowed to contact people when their number is stolen. They say it would require Congress to change the law for them to be able to inform people when they've been victimized. So people can go for decades without finding out -- Lou.

DOBBS: Did the Social Security Administration tell you what law prevented them from doing that?

PILGRIM: Actually, they did not.

DOBBS: The fact of the matter is, I think the Social Security Administration is, to put it politely, full of it. And I think they're rationalizing a failure to safeguard Social Security card holders.

Lou Dobbs nailed it, as usual.

A few years back, I was working on a project in my study when the phone rang. I answered it. Someone on the other end blurted out loudly a couple of short sentences. It was a very broken English: sounded like a Mexican trying to speak English. I thought for a moment, trying to comprehend what I just heard. I asked for the caller to repeat it. The same thing was blurted out in exactly the same way. It sounded like: "I'm from the IRS. What is your Social Security Number?" I thought, again, for a moment, and then asked: "Would you do that for me one more time!" The same thing was blurted out in the same way. I finally said: "Put that in writing for me and send it through the mail." He hung up.

I hung up the phone and sat, thinking about what had just occurred. Piecing together some facts, I arrived at the conclusion that, for a certainty, that wasn't someone from the IRS. And the demand for the Social Security Number was a ploy to add the number to, no doubt, a list collected by someone -- and probably many others -- to obtain these numbers for some nefarious purpose. The first sentence was to strike fear into the recipient of the call. Then, the demand. I wonder how many fell for this ploy?

Hopefully most were clued in by the accent, the way you were.
Well,
gotta go look in on the Chimperor's speech...I understand he's going to cut through all the fog on this border issue the way only he knows how