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Old 05-26-2006, 04:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Imigration Bill boils down to amnesty
30 to 40 million illegal immigrants are going to be given basicly amnesty if the bill passed today becomes law. I think this is basicly Bush giving in to the big Companies that love slave labor. What a crock. My question is are they going to get the same rate of pay of will they be given a 'raise' to minimum wage? Who says slavery is dead?
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30 to 40 million illegal immigrants are going to be given basicly amnesty if the bill passed today becomes law. I think this is basicly Bush giving in to the big Companies that love slave labor. What a crock. My question is are they going to get the same rate of pay of will they be given a 'raise' to minimum wage? Who says slavery is dead?
Okay, okay... Just live HEVUSA, you're not living in the real world.


I'm in a "northern city" where Mexicans are travelling 1500 miles or more to get good jobs at a packing plant - where STARTING pay is $10 per hour, plus benefits.

Within the FIRST YEAR OF EMPLOYMENT - after they receive their "60 Day Raise", including benefits, and if they work ANY overtime (which they all do) - these "poor illegal immigrants" are making over $30,000 per year.

The INTERESTING thing is that lazy blacks and whites won't go across town to get the same job the Mexicans are travelling 1500 miles for. That says it all right there.

That is NOT "slave labor", no matter how much you blind liberal dolts want to say it is.
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Okay, okay... Just live HEVUSA, you're not living in the real world.


I'm in a "northern city" where Mexicans are travelling 1500 miles or more to get good jobs at a packing plant - where STARTING pay is $10 per hour, plus benefits.

Within the FIRST YEAR OF EMPLOYMENT - after they receive their "60 Day Raise", including benefits, and if they work ANY overtime (which they all do) - these "poor illegal immigrants" are making over $30,000 per year.

The INTERESTING thing is that lazy blacks and whites won't go across town to get the same job the Mexicans are travelling 1500 miles for. That says it all right there.

That is NOT "slave labor", no matter how much you blind liberal dolts want to say it is.

I think you are talking out of your ass. You have any links for this??
How are legitimate companies paying these illegals? Does every single one of them have a fake social security number???

I don't buy it.
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CNN -- LOU DOBBS TONIGHT -- Aired May 26, 2006 - 17:59 ET
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DOBBS: Congress is outraged over the growing number of illegal aliens stealing Social Security numbers of American citizens. That's where they get them. Amazingly, those identity thieves can collect Social Security benefits and, believe it or not, the way this government is run, that's perfectly legal.

Kitty Pilgrim has the story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) KITTY PILGRIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Illegal aliens steal Social Security numbers from American citizens and then want to claim Social Security benefits.

REP. CLAY SHAW (R), FLORIDA: Right now people don't realize, but under existing law -- which should be changed, by the way -- that the money is paid into a fraudulent number. Once the worker becomes legally here in the United States, if he or she ever becomes legal, that money can be claimed as a contribution to their Social Security earnings.

PILGRIM: In other words, fraud pays.

Some in Congress are outraged the Senate bill would also provide this benefit to illegal workers.

SEN. JOHN ENSIGN (R), NEVADA: The promise of Social Security is for citizens and legal residents of the United States. Social Security was not intended for individuals who enter our country illegally, purchase fraudulent green cards and documentations on the black market, and use them to get jobs.

PILGRIM: Congressman Ensign points out one U.S. citizen had her Social Security number stolen by 218 different illegal immigrants in Texas who used them for work papers. He displayed the fraudulent W-2 forms on the Senate floor.

ENSIGN: It is wrong to allow people who have broken our laws to receive such a reward.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PILGRIM: Now, despite the fact there is rampant fraud, the Senate version of the bill would allow illegal aliens to collect back Social Security benefits if they become legal. That will be one of the biggest debates, Lou, in upcoming sessions, for sure.

DOBBS: Absolute lunacy. Bizarre. It's madness upon madness.

Kitty, thank you very much.
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Some Mexicans might get that kind of pay but most don't, certainly not the illegals already here. Go look at figures for migratory fruit pickers for example. That is the real world they live in. Plus we are talking about the illegals already here not someone on a work visa which is what is needed to work in a place like you are talking about. If you think the Companies using illegals are going to suddenly pay $10.00 an hour it is you not living in the real world.
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Some Mexicans might get that kind of pay but most don't. Go look at figures for migratory fruit pickers for example. That is the real world they live in.
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Some Mexicans might get that kind of pay but most don't, certainly not the illegals already here. Go look at figures for migratory fruit pickers for example. That is the real world they live in. Plus we are talking about the illegals already here not someone on a work visa which is what is needed to work in a place like you are talking about. If you think the Companies using illegals are going to suddenly pay $10.00 an hour it is you not living in the real world.
When I say "Mexicans" why do YOU automatically assume "Illegals"?

What kind of a racist hater are you?
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When I say "Mexicans" why do YOU automatically assume "Illegals"?

What kind of a racist hater are you?
The post is about illegal immigrants already in the country. In your first post said illegals are making over $30,000 a year. Tyreay snapped you up on it, now you're claiming you were just talking about Mexicans in general.
Racist hater? Where did that come from, did I miss something?
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The post is about illegal immigrants already in the country. In your first post said illegals are making over $30,000 a year. Tyreay snapped you up on it, now you're claiming you were just talking about Mexicans in general.
Racist hater? Where did that come from, did I miss something?
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Illegals making 30K a year? And he thinks liberals live in a dream world.
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When I say "Mexicans" why do YOU automatically assume "Illegals"?

What kind of a racist hater are you?
Racist-phobic much?
I lived in Colorado and some of my best freinds to this day are Mexicans. Should I not say Mexican?
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30 to 40 million illegal immigrants are going to be given basicly amnesty if the bill passed today becomes law. I think this is basicly Bush giving in to the big Companies that love slave labor. What a crock. My question is are they going to get the same rate of pay of will they be given a 'raise' to minimum wage? Who says slavery is dead?
This thread is about illegal immigrants.
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Within the FIRST YEAR OF EMPLOYMENT - after they receive their "60 Day Raise", including benefits, and if they work ANY overtime (which they all do) - these "poor illegal immigrants" are making over $30,000 per year.
This was in your reply to my original post. Now I just have to ask What the hell are you talking about?
If I am a racist hater that makes you a immigration liberal. What other issues are you a closet liberal on? You sneaky little liberal you.
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