First of all, you really should stop the infantile behavior of dragging "the war" into the immigration issue. That's a sure sign that you're grasping for straws.

Second, Bush's approval ratings don't mean anything - whether they're low or high. Or have you forgotten that he's not up for re-election?

Third, you could deconstruct NAFTA and you'll still have the exact SAME immigration problems. Immigrants ALWAYS have moved to places where they have more freedom and opportunity. The problem is NOT the United States. The problem is poverty in Mexico.

The punk ass repulsians are dragging immigration into the picture to try to take attention off the "the war"!



It never came up until Iraq was a total failure and all the lies are being exposed!

Oh goodie.

More stupid pictures in a vain attempt to hide the fact that you don't know jack crap about what's being discussed.

This is a thread on Immigration, you imbecile!

In your mind, I'm dragging the war into the immigration debate because I'm "losing" it. That is the way you look at these conversations, a winner and a loser. You have made that pretty obvious by now.

Intangible is actually right though. I'm not bringing a debate about the war into this, I'm saying that the Bush administration made immigration a hot button issue to distract people from the war. I'm not grasping for anything I'm making a logical observation. From what I've read and what you have posted in this thread, it seems like the wave of immigration is an unavoidable issue. If it's unavoidable, then it really is a non-issue. So why is it apparently one of the most important political debates in Washington right now? That's what I'm asking. My only conjecture is that it is a distractor, plain and simple.

If the Immigration Issue is one of the most important political debates right now, George Bush is literally running the country! He must be god himself!

But what I really want to see is ANY proof from you that this Immigration Issue is a distraction?

Any proof? By the way, IntangibleChild is not a credible source.

Any proof?

Bueller?
Bueller?
Bueller?

There's no proof there is just opinion and observing politics. If immigration is an unavoidable issue and is not important, as you say it is, why is it the hot button issue in Washington? You are failing to answer this question. I am putting forth my opinion, which has been echoed by others, that it is a distraction because people are upset with the way the war is going. Then you come screaming for proof as if there is in anyway for me to go out and find hard evidence of this fact. In what form would it be? I could go and search for links of people saying the same thing that I am, that it's a distraction from the war, but what is the difference? It is just their opinion as opposed to mine. I'm asking you why you think immigration is a hot button issue in Washington? Feel free to answer it or keep avoiding it.

1. That's cool. That's where I'm at with it too - but we might as well admit it.
2. I've NEVER said that immigration is not important. It's huge! But what, exactly, do you think is the right thing to do?
3. Again, yes. It's opinion and conjecture. Thank you for admitting that.
4. I don't think Immigration has ANYTHING to do with the War in Iraq. The immigration issue has been on slow boil for YEARS. It has just started "coming to a head". School districts, for instance, are having to cut back on staff & curriculum in other areas to accomodate Spanish-speaking kids. They're mad about it.

Immigration is its own issue. It is NOT connected to the War in Iraq.

Alright, I agree it is important and I'm sorry for saying that you agreed with this. Looking back you were making a different point. However, you still said that this problem, or some aspects of the immigration issue, are unavoidable. If they are unavoidable, is there anything to be done?

I don't think immigration has anything to do with Iraq, which is exactly why I made the conjecture that it is at the forefront of issues right now. It is precisely because it is its own issue and has nothing to do with Iraq that makes its distracting qualities so effective.

I don't really know all that much about the specifics of the issue, but I'm not really sure why there is this apparent need to keep "them" out of "our" country. My ancestors travelled freely to this country.

1. Yes, I do believe that a good deal of the immigration issue - especially Mexican immigrants - is unavoidable. Further, I have no idea what should be done about it.
When you have such vast economic disparity (that would be there with or without NAFTA) you WILL have immigrants going to the "better country". That's the way it has ALWAYS been. That's how all the "original" immigrants got to the United States.
Also, what are you going to do with the undocumented immigrants? Take them back into Mexico and dump them off? They'll be back in less than a week. Are you going to throw them in jail?
It's kind of a lose-lose situation.

2. That's fine. I don't agree. And there's no way to prove either one of us right or wrong.

3. This is true.

Oh but we still pay for it, by sending billions in aide to help. and what do we get for helping...BLACK HAWK DOWN!!!