Speak English Only

knot_e_lady · 09-20-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe

The concessions must come from both sides, Knot.

Why?

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We must let them know through better means, (I think using sucsessful Hispanics would to show them the real "treasure" of America would be the best way to start.

You don't think they already know that? Why else would they be here?

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The reason I use the terms depise and hatred is because that many of us do not realize that Speaking English was never before a condition required to immigrate- it was, and still is; just advantageous to do so.

While never a requirement, we didn't make concessions, such as requiring government documents to be printed in Spanish, or have Spanish speaking workers. The people either learned the language or they didn't get by.

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Your last two points can be answered in one paragraph: When you speak of reward for doing something illegal, do we not include major corporations and companies here in America who are hiring illegal immigrants? They are being rewarded substantially by reducing labor cost drastically. The very stockholders the average John Q. Public) in such companies get that reward
when stock prices increase on such a company. Now, as far as shipping jobs off to Mexico; who makes and endorses such decisions in say, the last company you can name that did so? Why was this decision made? Who has the power to regulate such decisions?

I'm all for hitting these corporations hard for hiring illegals.

As for shipping manufacturing plants to Mexico, I can name 2 right off the top of my head, Electrolux and Tower Automotive, based here in Michigan. It was the corporate officers who made that decision, and I'm all for the government taxing these jokers big when they do it.

nuttyjoe · 09-20-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady

Why?
That would just be a demograhic advantage for America to do so. Illegal or not could you name me one business that accepts The Mexican peso for payment in your town? Probably not. This means that American businesses are actively pursuing and targeting the Hispanic market. In that, real advantage is seen for both to cross the language barrier.

You don't think they already know that? Why else would they be here?
Probably for the same reason a major part of America whom decended from immigrants are: to seek a better life for themselves and their families.

While never a requirement, we didn't make concessions, such as requiring government documents to be printed in Spanish, or have Spanish speaking workers. The people either learned the language or they didn't get by.
Are you saying that Spanish must be disallowed by law? Again, it's demographics.

I'm all for hitting these corporations hard for hiring illegals.

As for shipping manufacturing plants to Mexico, I can name 2 right off the top of my head, Electrolux and Tower Automotive, based here in Michigan. It was the corporate officers who made that decision, and I'm all for the government taxing these jokers big when they do it.

But were these "jokers" Mexicans whom made that decision? Do these companies not have American stockholders who in effect, endorse such behavior by owning such stock and not raising and voting against such behavior at shareholder meetings? How should we punish them?

garysher · 09-20-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady

I'm all for hitting these corporations hard for hiring illegals.

As for shipping manufacturing plants to Mexico, I can name 2 right off the top of my head, Electrolux and Tower Automotive, based here in Michigan. It was the corporate officers who made that decision, and I'm all for the government taxing these jokers big when they do it.

What about low income US families who can now save money on more affordable consumer durables?

Also, those companies can now compete with other companies who manufacture in lower cost countries, instead of being driven out of business.

gonefishin · 09-20-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

What about low income US families who can now save money on more affordable consumer durables?

Also, those companies can now compete with other companies who manufacture in lower cost countries, instead of being driven out of business.

How about all the ones who can no longer afford those durables. because they have no jobs. how about now the unemployment rate is up?

garysher · 09-20-2007, 01:39 PM

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How about all the ones who can no longer afford those durables. because they have no jobs. how about now the unemployment rate is up?

I sympathise with people in that position, but in an advanced economy like the US there are ample opportunities to retrain and become more marketable in the labour market.

We can never compete on low-paid, unskilled labour and it doesn't make sense to try.

The fundamental principle of International Economics is to capitalise on what you do best, and not try to do everything.

knot_e_lady · 09-20-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe

But were these "jokers" Mexicans whom made that decision? Do these companies not have American stockholders who in effect, endorse such behavior by owning such stock and not raising and voting against such behavior at shareholder meetings? How should we punish them?

The government needs to do an about face, and start making these companies pay extra for importing products into the USA.

garysher · 09-20-2007, 02:05 PM

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The government needs to do an about face, and start making these companies pay extra for importing products into the USA.

Why do you want to increase the cost of living for low income Americans?

Hio · 09-20-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady

Despised? I don't see them as being despised, joe.

What I see is people resenting having to give concessions to people who are not willing to make concessions themselves.

What I see is people who think it's wrong to reward someone for doing something illegal.

What I see is a group of people tired of seeing their jobs shipped off to Mexico all the while the population of Mexico is coming here.

THANK YOU!!!!!

Hio · 09-20-2007, 02:51 PM

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We can never compete on low-paid, unskilled labour and it doesn't make sense to try.

Then why are we hiring illegal immigrants for $4.00 an hour to do a job they havnt had the High School education to work on???
If we cant compete using those methods; Why are we doing it?

gonefishin · 09-20-2007, 02:51 PM

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Why do you want to increase the cost of living for low income Americans?

Perhaps these low income people could simply "retrain" and get "better jobs" and then they can afford the higher prices.