Thank you, Hio!

Now, bureaucracy speed cannot in no way be blamed on Illegal immigrants.
We all complain about it in one way or another. Just ask any person whom has applied for disability benefits why it is a seven month process from application to approval to when they actually start receiving benefits.
Okay, enough about that. but Law enforcement also must follow the laws
and are in fact held to a higher standard when those laws are broken (should they be they ones breaking the laws. Another thing that I can guarantee: Would we want ourselves to be subjected to such invasion on our privacy for say, getting a speeding ticket? The police already do a quick check to check the validity of a driver's license and any outstanding warrants that person may have against them. Expanding from that, while sounding good; wouldn't be practical in America. Our population enjoys its freedoms too much and does not respond well to anything that upsets them.
As far as the "persons of interest" point; how do we define this? Because a person is Mexican, does that automatically put them in this category? Civil rights attorneys would be licking their chops at your suggestion, Hio.

How Australia tackles the same problem

Australia seeks skilled workers

Australia is to admit more skilled migrant workers to help ease its labour shortage while cracking down on firms which mistreat foreign staff.

An extra 5,000 places for skilled migrants were unveiled by ministers as part of the government's annual budget.

New powers are also being sought to fine firms which underpay workers or place them in unskilled jobs.

The commodities boom has boosted the economy, but a major drought, the worst seen in a century, has hit growth.

Growth this year is now expected to be 2.5% as opposed to the 3.25% previously forecast, with the farming sector particularly badly affected.

Despite this, employment remains at a 30-year high, resulting in shortages of skilled workers in certain industries.

Quotas levels for migrant visas will rise to 152,800 next year, with 102,500 places set aside for skilled workers.

But workers will have to prove they can speak reasonable English as well as take a new citizenship test coming into force later this year.

To help employers recruit staff quickly, companies which comply scrupulously with the migrant visa system will have their applications fast-tracked.

However, those firms which breach the rules will be subject to new audits.

Those found guilty of the most serious offences, such as not paying staff the minimum wage, could be hit with heavy fines.

John Howard's Liberal government, which faces elections later this year, also announced personal tax cuts worth 31.5bn Australian dollars (£13bn) over four years.

Treasurer Peter Costello said the measures were "responsible" and would "prepare Australia for the rapid changes of the future" while helping hard-working families.

But opposition politicians criticised the budget as a pre-election giveaway which offered too little for education and the environment.

"It is obvious the Treasurer is rolling in money," said Wayne Swan, treasury spokesman for the opposition Labor Party. "It has been raining gold bars thanks to the mining boom."

BBC NEWS | Business | Australia seeks skilled workers

Ok we follow the ways of the TSA. Random searches or in this case background checks.
Just like the islamics when the TSA pulls them aside and cry...the TSA just calls "Random Searches" and say well they are random and you just had bad luck. Aslong as the enforcement is equally spread around 'randomly' they would have no claim lol

Oh my. I don't think ms. knot would have said such a thing to you if she knew you were so very delicate. I for one shall be treating you with kid gloves knowing this to be so. I hope you do not suffer permanent damage.

They do background checks on people who have been arrested for a crime. The assertion to the contrary is a piece of propaganda. The reason they do not do background checks on people who have not been arrested for a crime but who report crime is because its oddly thought that its better to catch a theif and or a rapist then Julio the gardener. If they checked everyone who reported a crime then people wouldn't report crimes even people here legally. The other reason they do not check everyone they come across is mere expense. At the moment the Govt estimates that it would take 100 years and at minimum 94 Billions dollars to catch everyone. Thats 94 billion as a govt estimate so we can safely say its probably closer to double that cost. So thats at least 94 billion dollars they are not spending on healthcare, education, apprehending actual criminals. Because being in this country illegeally is NOT a crime..I repeat is not a CRIME..it is a CIVIL misdemeanour. Which is another reason they do not do background checks other then the HUGE cost involved. How many people called Julio Garcia do you think are in this country???? I'd say alot..

You suggest They should be allowed during a stop if they 'feel' they should..way to promote racial profiling. Blacks and Latinos are already stopped more often then white people and you want more of it and not just that but to check these people requires them being arrested so they can do a background check..its a civil rights case in the making and the govt/dept checking would ne found to have violated the law.

Some examples of why what you propose is just not going to work: Just 2 weeks a go a woman who was born here was held in jail for 36 hours because she had the same name as a previously deported person. They deported a mentally retarded man to mexico and he was lost for 3 months because they assumed he was here illegally despite being told he was born in LA. People have rights and their rights supersede your desire to have every single hispanic person in the country checked because they are doing what my forefathers did when they came from England many years ago..seeking a btter life. Its not their fault they believe whats written on the Statue of Liberty. Coming to this country legally use to mean getting on and off a boat..now they want to charge people with little or no money high costs so they can follow the American dream and I say shame on anyone who seeks to undermine the foundations of this country because someone doesn't speak fluent freakin English.


Responsbile Govt which is a 'branch' of the concept of the rule of law which doesn't just mean no-one is above the law btw, the rule of law seeks to restrict Government power not the power of people, it also takes into account the concept of due process why anyone would say that the govt should usurp its power and go around due process is beyond my comprehension. Its one of the reason this country was started and one of the reason we had a revolution and a civil war. I am so disgusted that anyone would suggest we undo who we are because they fear Jose the gardener (remembering most of the people here illegally have no been convicted of any crime sure we can all find examples of where they have been convicted but there isn't just 6 of them there are at least 12 million). Anyway responsible govt doesn't just mean enforcing law it also means making laws that have the least impact on the people generally. And I am sorry but what you want is expensive, interferes with the rights of the American citizens and is just plain mean spirited and antithetical IMO to the foundations of this country. Do i believe the people we are talking about are doing this on purpose, that is, being who we use to be and standing for what is decent and right, no I do not but I do know they come here for a better life and want the chance to have one. And is there anything more American than this desire??? I can't think of any, they show more American value then many actual Americans IMO.

Either the truths we hold to be self evident actually are self evident and thus apply to every single person be they citizen or not or be they ijn this country or any other country or we do not think the truths are self evident. (we are also a signatory to the ICCPR which is basically a re-wording of the Bill of Rights so clearly we hold the truths to be true even beyond our own borders).

They should be made to pay a fine, re-pay taxes and allowed to stay not simply because its the humane and decent thing to do (I laugh at all the so called Christains who seek to send these poeple back to the third world toilet they came from whatever happened to Christain morality and charity??) but because it is the most responsible action the govt can take.

Wow there you go again falling on the hispanics. Racial equality at its best[/sarcasm]. And those people who got "on and off a boat" They did learn english, they had the common sense to know that they were in another country that spoke a language not of their own and they adapted. The ones who scamper over the Rio basicly are saying "fuck you america im not learning shit for you" and expect the country to adapt to them and their language.
WRONG, other way around
now they want to charge people with little or no money high costs so they can follow the American dream
If you cant deal with it dont come here. Dont slide in the backdoor under the system and avoiding taxes and expect us to still open our arms to you. No it doesnt work like that. You will get an open hand across the face before you get open arms from us when you do that.
And what is this about fluent english. We dont need you speaking FLUENT english if you come over to this country legaly. You just need to be able to speak english in an understandable manner.
Ex.
If some person comes up to you and Asks "I are looking for First Nation Bank" Duh you would be able to recognize that they are looking for the First National Bank.
But if they come up to you and ask "Hola, dónde está El Primer Banco Nacional" and cant speak a flip of english, how the heck are they suppose to survive in America?
We dont ask for fluent english immigrants, just learn the fricken basics as common sense.

We ask the same of Americans who move to England

Right-o chap
pip-pip Cheerio Garysher

please you mean Latinos (we don't call them Hispanic anymore its actually a racist term first coined by the Spanish when much of the country spoke Spanish..it means a half breed..half Native Mexican and Half Spanish)..

I have no issue with them learning English upon their arrival here. I don't expect people from the third world to have the advantages I have. WHy on earth do you expect they would??? Unlike you I think people are more important then the language they speak. I think they should learn English its to their advantage but I don't blame them for not being able to speak fluently either and am happy to have them learn English to a higher standard upon arrival. Very few people don't know how to say hello and so forth in English so they all come knowing some English just not fluently.

How many Spanish speaking people do you actually personally know?? Because if you knew any Latinos you'd know they want to fit in, they want to learn English but its sort of hard to do when the govt is hunting you down or hutning somone in your family. This maybe their fault but still its an understandable situation also.

I don't have an issue understanding any Latinos when they speak English even with an accent, you seem to want them not to have an accent or maybe a slight one just a little because you want it understandable. To which I say lets get people in the back waters of West Virginia to be understandable..I sure as hell have trouble understanding them with that thick southern drawl and further anyone that thinks that 'ain't' is a real word lets boot them out too.

As for creeping the back door what would you do if your family was starving and had you no prospects for the future?? Don't be dull and say make my country better because why didn't you forefathers stay in their country and make it better?? They came for opportunity and thats damm ass American to me. Also making your country better is a long term answer to a short term problem. For heavens sake Mexico only had actual democratic elections for the first time in the year 2000..the rest of Central America is either recently war torn or run by meglomanic tyrants...so that simplitic answer is a meaningless piece of rhetoric. Perhaps arming yourself with real facts about Central America would be an advantage.

Have you seen the latest news on Social Security?? How do you propose to fix it??? Other then you believe its worthwile speanding 94 billion dollars finding Jose the gardener and Maria the chicken plucker. I'd rather they used it to help research cancer personally.

..The only way to fix it is to have MORE people under the age of 40 the majority of people in the country we are talking about are under 40...why not start with the people already here ...there is a problem lets solve it not scapegoat people because you find it hard to understand their accent..we use to be a decent and humane country..