Defending the Truth

Originally Posted by America first

Wow, all that and still blowing air...just what is wrong with being an AMERICAN ? have you ever heard the words"united we stand"

I guess you are "lone wolf" now..lol

Originally Posted by Jefferson

No, you're a coward who constantly defends Islam - even though it is a religion of tyranny, bloodshed and slaughter.

Personally, I think you're AFRAID to speak out against, or do anything about, the constant violence because you KNOW you or your family will end up be-headed.

You're brave? Yeah sure. And my crap doesn't stink!

Originally Posted by America first

Yea, the last time I seen one of his "brave man" he was hiding in a group of woman and childern taking shots at me and the guys..

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Tell A1 to open his eyes then, because he's just dismising it as unpatriotic. If anything, admitting your nation's faults to improve it is a greater form of patriotism than blindly supporting whatever is done in its name.

Originally Posted by hkbajwa

How foolish you are to listen to A-1.

It is so easy to lump anybody who doesn't agree with you into the opposite camp isn't it?

Does it cross your mind that people can be against terrorism, violence and intolerance WITHOUT thinkin that america is doing the right thing?

Or are you merely another ape who is incapable of understanding the concept of objectivity and neutrality.

I don't like killing.. and i don't care WHO does it. It is an equally reprehensible method of solving problems REGARDLESS of which side does it.

Martin Luther King got it right. He criticized the american government for its policies of discrimination and violence against black people. Did that make him unpatriotic? Hell no. But of course the administration of his time tried to make him look as dirty as possible ( to hide their own inadequacies ).

The middle ground is always attacked from BOTH SIDES making it the most dangerous place to be.

Originally Posted by nuttyjoe

Listening (and reading) to the bickering and name-calling between you guys is what America's biggest problem today. We cannot have discussions that don't turn into personal name-calling; we still engage in political labeling of those whom do not agree with us individually or as a whole; and yet we expect the rest of the world to respect us. All of us are entitled to our own viewpoints; so why does all this insulting between you guys accomplish? Not a damn thing. just state your position and the reasons for it on any given thread, and be done with it. If you are thinking that " he started it first" argument works, it doesn't. Just don't react. Please stop this useless bitching between yourselves- you're only advertising your own levels of ignorance by engaging in it. For guys who claim to have the education that you do, start acting like it!

Originally Posted by Omega

Why?
We know that they are planning attacks on US school children. The police are preparing. It is a common tactic among Radical Muslims to kill kids in order to force the parents to convert.
You are weak, you will knee to Islam. You will surrender just like the French did to the Nazis.

Originally Posted by hkbajwa

hahahahahaha.. what would you know jeff?
I know what it's like to live in a civilized society - which puts me in a class different than 99.9% of all Muslims.

Your points are generally hate filled rhetoric about the 'evilness" of others. To me that is the quintessential copout. It is the last resort of those who desperately cling to their beliefs in the face of rationality and logic. Unimpressive, pointless and blatantly indicative of the dubious footing of your opinions.
You're full of crap, and you're dodging the real issues.
There is no question - it is a matter of factual record - that the Muslim religion has bred terrorists and has led to mindless bloodshed and slaughter like no religion in this history of the world.
The bloodshed and slaughter that walks hand in hand with Islam IS evil.

I happen to be a radio show host ( howard stern-esque i would call it). In my time as a DJ, i have done shows on Pak-India relations, the intolerance of religious parties, gender discrimination, religious discrimination, minority rights. traditional dogma, military rule, alcohol and drug use among the youth, sexuality and promiscuity among the youth and a wide variety of socially sensistive topics.
...and the point is?
3 years ago, our 2nd son had his own radio show. Is this supposed to impress me?

I openly discuss, debate and promote freedom of expression and religion, ethnic and gender equality, and MOST OF ALL DEMOCRACY. And i do it UNARMED, with NO ORGANIZATIONAL BACKING and ON THE RECORD. I NEVER speak of destruction or of armed resistance. I NEVER speak of punitive measures to deal with issues. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY i NEVER claim to have a monopoly on the truth.
And you do NOT do this radio show in a Muslim country - guaranteed.

You are right in saying that there is a certain risk involved in such public display of progressive opinions. It is a sad situation in Pakistan that make my friends constantly advise me to "tone it down". What YOU say is precisely the government sanctioned line ( there's a good little mindless "patriot"). What "I" say is often contrary to MY government, putting me and my family at risk.
So you're admitting that your radio show is only heard by about 80 people.

So you may call me a coward all you wish.. but "I" challenge the establishment , YOU merely agree to what they say. I derive my OWN opinions, whereas you agree with the "party line" and defend it even in the face of rationality. I risk censure, loss of my job, arrest and aggression from fundamentalists, whereas you risk NOTHING.
You don't derive your own opinions. If you weren't BORN Muslim, you would never have become one.
If you're such a big brave man, why not begin telling the truth, and say that Muhammad was a blood-thirsty savage, who had 11 wives - the youngest of which was 9 - and killed thousands of people.

And yet you somehow or the other manage to find it proper to call ME a coward?
First of all, you're making all this crap up anyway. I don't believe for a minute that you're a radio show host.
Second, IF indeed you did a radio show, you fly under the radar.
Third, IF anybody actually listened to this radio show you're making up, you'd be out. Period.

Little man i know more, think more freely and influence the world in favor of peace FAR MORE than you do.
Non sequitur. You're just blowing hot air.

You think that an unimportant fellow debating on a website calling me a coward could possibly get my blood fired up?

hahahahahahahahaha.. sure it does :P
It obviously did.

Oh btw about defending Islam.. listen i don't defend terrorism or any of the other stupidity and cruelty committed in its name. I just happen to know that YOUR view of Islam is ignorant and prejudicial.
MY view of Islam is based on years of objective research.
It his HILARIOUS to me that you, with your blinders on, will relentlessly defend your hero Muhammad, when it is in fact historical record that he was a blood-thirsty, sexually perverse savage.
There's NO QUESTION the kind of human he was - and what kind of religion he started.
Yet you'll BLINDLY defend him.

I only seek to defend a religion against false impression.. sort of like how i defend christianity against prejudice and ignorance in Pakistan ( you forget that half my family are danish protestants.. as my mother is - she never converted to Islam). Trust me i would do the same for Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Paganism, Wicca, and ANY OTHER RELIGION that was falsely villified.
Yeah, bull crap.
You get on HERE and bash other religions - while blindly defending Islam. IF you have this radio show - which I don't for a minute believe you do - you would NOT do anything different there.
You're full of crap, and you're making stuff up again.

That's called objectivity. Try it sometime you mental midget.
Pretty funny - the hatred spewing forth from the peace-loving Muslim.
"Mental Midget"? Is that the best you got? Good grief dopey, why not try studying outside the "acceptable" party-line box that your spoiled, rich boy upbringing has allowed you to live securely in.
Why not think for yourself, study for yourself, and learn from yourself - rather than just take the Islam mantra hook, line and sinker.

Originally Posted by Jefferson

You need to do better then that.