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Old 02-24-2007, 08:05 AM   #261 (permalink)
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Personal attacks don't forward debates.

It has been my experience that the young ones bring fresh perspective to things to those who are set in their ways. Being one who LIKES new ideas, I am glad that he is here.
personal attacks! well your little pal knows how to to that fairly well,(but still needs trainning) I have very little to say to anti and that pisses him off, when i am really to debate with JR i will and not until i am ready...and btw, cookies and mike, plus clean your room is not an attack. it's a push off now i could have been really bad but he's only 17....yet your right he is old enough for the real world, if you do try to baby him too much... this is going to be fun. thank you for your kind words.
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:08 AM   #262 (permalink)
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The Mexicans that come here.
Watch out dude it's a trap...
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:11 AM   #263 (permalink)
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Exactly. But I think building a wall may have a negative effect on the way people in Mexico view Americans.
Now you did it. who gives a rats behind on what the mexicans thinks about the USA.
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:17 AM   #264 (permalink)
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Give me your tired your hungry your poor.
Where does it say "give me your criminals?"

America has always welcomed the tired, the hungry, the poor. But they were expected to follow the laws and rules.

Now America is drowning under the deluge of illegals - and you want us to just suck it up? There are American CITIZENS who are hungry, poor, tired, and homeless. I say, we help them BEFORE we take care of the criminals.
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:39 AM   #265 (permalink)
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that's true, and without documentation there is no way to know how much they are paying... but they ARE paying! assuming they're not being paid "under the table" (in cash), and assuming that they stole someone's SSN in order to work, that employer is taking $ out for social security/medicare and income taxes, as required by law. and these people don't live in a vacuum... they have to buy groceries, clothes and other necessities. they pay sales taxes for those. if they own a car, they're paying sales taxes and yearly license plate renewal fees. if they rent, they give money to a landlord who is using part of that money to pay for property taxes. and so on.
You assume too much,many are being paid under the table, and not for some little $5 an hour, i know two that was being paid $15 an hour just to help build homes, no taxes no paper trail, and the black guy that was let go(for so-called lack of work) was making $22 an hour, it took this man 12 years with this company to reach that pay, but it all fair right.
As far as housing go's ,not to long ago we found a trailer (3 BR)that atleast 30 mexicans was staying in,the sewage was run out in the open, and they were paying $500 a month, yet the smell was so bad we had to have the health dept to shut the home down and fine the hell out of the landlord, then the illegals were ran off.there many things go on with the illegal that done of you care about until it hits y'alls area... so i say get rid of them now.
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:42 AM   #266 (permalink)
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Where does it say "give me your criminals?"

America has always welcomed the tired, the hungry, the poor. But they were expected to follow the laws and rules.

Now America is drowning under the deluge of illegals - and you want us to just suck it up? There are American CITIZENS who are hungry, poor, tired, and homeless. I say, we help them BEFORE we take care of the criminals.
thank you i couldn't have said it better.. this early in the morning.
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:49 AM   #267 (permalink)
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personal attacks! well your little pal knows how to to that fairly well,(but still needs trainning) I have very little to say to anti and that pisses him off, when i am really to debate with JR i will and not until i am ready...and btw, cookies and mike, plus clean your room is not an attack. it's a push off now i could have been really bad but he's only 17....yet your right he is old enough for the real world, if you do try to baby him too much... this is going to be fun. thank you for your kind words.
That wasn't a push off, dude. Your response basically said 'you don't have anything to say worth listening to because of your age.' That's how it came across to me. That definitely qualifies as an attack.

Being honest and saying that you don't want to respond, or not responding at all, is much better than taking time to add absolutely nothing useful to the discussion.

That's MY perspective on it.
Old 02-24-2007, 09:07 AM   #268 (permalink)
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That wasn't a push off, dude. Your response basically said 'you don't have anything to say worth listening to because of your age.' That's how it came across to me. That definitely qualifies as an attack.

Being honest and saying that you don't want to respond, or not responding at all, is much better than taking time to add absolutely nothing useful to the discussion.

That's MY perspective on it.
yea, to you but that was between him and me, i chose not to debate with him because i was pissed off(not at him) and i know if i blew up on him all the liberals would come out of their rat holes and cry, so i play it off.. but it sound like you wanted me to attack him so that you can horn in...." that mean old redneck is attacking this poor young hero" and that's my perspective on it..
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Old 02-24-2007, 09:29 AM   #269 (permalink)
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yea, to you but that was between him and me, i chose not to debate with him because i was pissed off(not at him) and i know if i blew up on him all the liberals would come out of their rat holes and cry, so i play it off.. but it sound like you wanted me to attack him so that you can horn in...." that mean old redneck is attacking this poor young hero" and that's my perspective on it..
Well, I never thought of you as a mean old redneck but if that's your identity... *shrug* I see a person with his own opinions just as I see him.

It's a public messageboard so there really isn't any 'horning in' so to speak. If someone has something to say, they speak up.

Clearly, though, we have very different ways of handling things. I would have simply NOT responded to the comment until (if ever) I felt like doing so. I don't really understand the logic behind disrespecting a person just to save face.

The reason why I felt compelled to respond is because ageism is simply another form of prejudice. A lot of people do it without realizing it.
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Where does it say "give me your criminals?"

America has always welcomed the tired, the hungry, the poor. But they were expected to follow the laws and rules.

Now America is drowning under the deluge of illegals - and you want us to just suck it up? There are American CITIZENS who are hungry, poor, tired, and homeless. I say, we help them BEFORE we take care of the criminals.
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