Defending the Truth

Yeah, but every little idiot needs a good butt-kicking now and then.

If anything I want him to stay and continue to "fight," though it's really nothing more than name-calling and circular reasoning.

Actually, it's all beyond your realm of understanding, junior.



I think I heard the bell ring - you better go run off to General Math.

Typical defense. When I don't agree, you call me young and stupid. When Tristan doesn't agree you call him an amoral queer. When anybody else disagrees, you, they just don't understand. I've debated with fundies with more sense than you who never stoop down to insults.

Let's see:

You're WRONG about immigrants working at packing plants, and the wages they earn. And you need to shut up, because everything you say proves your ignorance on that topic.

That pretty much sums it up.

Never said they didn't earn the minimum or higher. How about all the other businesses in America who hire illegals? Think it makes good business sense to hire a worker who you can easily deny a minimum wage? It obviously does.

Open your fucking mind to reason, man. Business is about profit, not sympathy. Human needs are secondary.

Did I EVER say anything about companies or individuals that hire illegals for below minimum wage?

No, I did not.

YOU were trying to convince me that meat packing plants are paying illegals less than they pay their other employees.


You've got a lot to learn, you snot-nosed little punk. You might actually start learning something about the real world when you actually go out and get a real job and start noticing that real taxes are pulled out of your paycheck.

But until that day, you'll continue to be nothing but a smart-mouthed little ignorant prick who keeps spouting off pure idiocy. So carry on...

With pleasure. I had a job this summer and had taxes deducted from it. It was annoying, but what can I do? I'm also having taxes deducted from bonds I've had since I was a baby and have been saving for college. Taxes are life.

I was not trying to convince you that they were trying to pay below the minimum. You said that I said it. What I said was:
-Most businesses pay below the minimum
-Some pay it or higher out of either benevolence or deception
-This particular plant did the latter. Reason: unknown, but likely deception
Even if immigrants are payed the minimum, usually it is lower than what Americans are willing to work for. Thus, wages are depressed. It has been estimated that, in 2006, the average wage for illegals was $5.45. The minimum in 2006 was $5.15. It's not much over the minimum, but it's damn close.

What, exactly, are you talking about here? Businesses in general, or business practices toward illegal immigrants?

All of those little rules I set up apply to illegals. Only the lowest income American workers (those with the least professional skills and the youngest members of the labor force) are payed minimum wage. Lower than the minimum wage for an American worker warrants penalties against the employer, and so for U.S. citizens it's mandatory. It's tough to defend yourself if you charge below the minimum.