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Old 02-08-2007, 07:54 AM   #81 (permalink)
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LOL i know what you mean, i have four teenage sons, they can be a handful. but atleast they will listen..I loss any respect for anti when he/she/it, made the statement that poor Americans can just deal with it (being poor and have illegals take their future) in so many words.

That shows anti has more compassion for invaders than he does for his own countryman.I just hope he has enough sence not to get out in the real world yapping that crap, some people won't care if he's just 17.
If I had sympathy for the "invaders" I'd open the borders. But I don't. Self-interest is warranted. Selfishness is not.

As I said, I have compassion for people. I don't just pack it up in parcels and hand it out to whoever I deem worthy. People are people, it's as simple as that.

As far as I'm concerned, if you have sympathy for the working class, you have to, at least, understand what drives illegals to cross the border instead of throwing up your arms and screaming "They took our jobs!" These people have little hope in Mexico, and so they come to America. It's too much too fast, but with regulation we can still allow them in and give them hope. Most don't come with malicious intent.
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Old 02-08-2007, 08:04 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Don't make me pull out my starter gun.

Sheesh, is this some natural defense tactic, you just start discounting me on the basis of my age when you hear what I'm saying? It's not even arguing now. I'm trying to disprove a rationalization, which is very sad.

So you find it fair to deny my allegations but allow America First to make ones which are just as wild? He probably still thinks I'm Mexican. That's hypocrisy. I'm not as old as most of you (America First is a toss up), but I know how to judge people's character. Jeff, you're no gem, but you still seem moderately reasonable. If you have any sense whatsoever, you wouldn't automatically agree with America First's more outlandish accusations. Prove that you're higher than him.
What you have repeatedly proven here, Anti, is that you don't know Jack Crap about this.

Earlier you were claiming that Illegals were working for less than minimum wage at a major meat packing plant, in the city where I used to live. The FACT is that EVERYBODY who works at that packing plant (over half of which are Hispanic) make a STARTING WAGE OF $12 PER HOUR.

And yet, in your teenage arrogance, you simply sit on your butt and say that isn't true.

And here you are CONTINUING to claim that the illegals are stealing jobs from all these good white folks and driving people into poverty. You CONTINUE to spout of platitudes, acting as though you have ANY idea what you're talking about.


Why don't you just shut up, cut your losses, and move on? Why not STOP making a public dink of yourself?
Old 02-08-2007, 02:44 PM   #83 (permalink)
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What you have repeatedly proven here, Anti, is that you don't know Jack Crap about this.

Earlier you were claiming that Illegals were working for less than minimum wage at a major meat packing plant, in the city where I used to live. The FACT is that EVERYBODY who works at that packing plant (over half of which are Hispanic) make a STARTING WAGE OF $12 PER HOUR.

And yet, in your teenage arrogance, you simply sit on your butt and say that isn't true.

And here you are CONTINUING to claim that the illegals are stealing jobs from all these good white folks and driving people into poverty. You CONTINUE to spout of platitudes, acting as though you have ANY idea what you're talking about.


Why don't you just shut up, cut your losses, and move on? Why not STOP making a public dink of yourself?
Because I find you to be the scum of the earth. Kind of simple, but there's no better way for me to describe you.

You obviously can't see the forest for the trees. The point is that immigrants take jobs, but not a stagering amount if we regulate it. Besides, how many independent lawn care, tiling, painting, and general masonry do you think is done by illegals off the books? Isn't that something you've been arguing against, tax fraud by illegals?

I don't even think you addressed my original plan, but I won't make you because then we'll get into another battle royale. At least a quarter of what you just said was reactionary to my age and a challenge to my intelligence in general. If you must disagree, do so with dignity and practice what you preach.

Or maybe you're "too high and mighty not to stoop down to my level." That's pretty much what i gather from this.
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Because I find you to be the scum of the earth. Kind of simple, but there's no better way for me to describe you.

You obviously can't see the forest for the trees. The point is that immigrants take jobs, but not a stagering amount if we regulate it. Besides, how many independent lawn care, tiling, painting, and general masonry do you think is done by illegals off the books? Isn't that something you've been arguing against, tax fraud by illegals?

I don't even think you addressed my original plan, but I won't make you because then we'll get into another battle royale. At least a quarter of what you just said was reactionary to my age and a challenge to my intelligence in general. If you must disagree, do so with dignity and practice what you preach.

Or maybe you're "too high and mighty not to stoop down to my level." That's pretty much what i gather from this.
I think I'll report your post, just for kicks.

But I digress. On to the minor task of kicking your silly arse, yet again.


Let's see: Independent Lawn Care... Well, you kicked over a stink bucket there too. I did a sideline lawn care business, for about 10 years, for the sake of providing a money-making, learning experience for my sons. We closed out the business a couple years ago.

What would you like to know about Independent Lawn Care - that you OBVIOUSLY don't know? Would you like to talk about 1099s? How about insurance? Self-employment taxes? What is it you THINK you know, but obviously do NOT know about small business ventures such as this?
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If I had sympathy for the "invaders" I'd open the borders. But I don't. Self-interest is warranted. Selfishness is not.

As I said, I have compassion for people. I don't just pack it up in parcels and hand it out to whoever I deem worthy. People are people, it's as simple as that.

As far as I'm concerned, if you have sympathy for the working class, you have to, at least, understand what drives illegals to cross the border instead of throwing up your arms and screaming "They took our jobs!" These people have little hope in Mexico, and so they come to America. It's too much too fast, but with regulation we can still allow them in and give them hope. Most don't come with malicious intent.
As of 2/8/07 i could care less about any of your mexican buddies,so their country is a crap hole, so their goverment treats them like slaves, so they are dying while crossing to border...i have one thing to say about that.....let them deal with it, i don't care.. and i don't care if you and all your liberal want to call me every name in the book..

The only thing I do care about, is my childern and the childern of my countryman.

I have two sisters that live in Texas, one(my youngest) lives near the border. so I am very concern about their well being,But i can asure you and every lowlife scumbucket liberal, that if one of them taco eating SOB put's a finger on any of my family,than there will be a border war....But than again there little man that's what happens when you love something enough to die for it...
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As of 2/8/07 i could care less about any of your mexican buddies,so their country is a crap hole, so their goverment treats them like slaves, so they are dying while crossing to border...i have one thing to say about that.....let them deal with it, i don't care.. and i don't care if you and all your liberal want to call me every name in the book..
Let me give you one final piece of advice. The point of this thread was to pose solutions to mexico's problems so that their benefits will spill over to us through decreased immigration. You speak as if it's just senseless idealism, which it is not. You speak of nativistm and pride in ignoring the problems of others without even acknowledging that we can help them to help us.

Let go of your ideals for once and recognize that this is not all about being a good neighbor.
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Let me give you one final piece of advice. The point of this thread was to pose solutions to mexico's problems so that their benefits will spill over to us through decreased immigration. You speak as if it's just senseless idealism, which it is not. You speak of nativistm and pride in ignoring the problems of others without even acknowledging that we can help them to help us.

Let go of your ideals for once and recognize that this is not all about being a good neighbor.
What in heck are you talking about?

Geez man, that post made no sense at all.
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Let me give you one final piece of advice. The point of this thread was to pose solutions to mexico's problems so that their benefits will spill over to us through decreased immigration. You speak as if it's just senseless idealism, which it is not. You speak of nativistm and pride in ignoring the problems of others without even acknowledging that we can help them to help us.

Let go of your ideals for once and recognize that this is not all about being a good neighbor.
Young man you have not been in this world long enough to give anyone advice, when you grow up and learn that the mexican don't care about you it will be too late.

I came up with a solution for the mexican and the illegal problems, but in your liberal mind all you seen was the killing part..

I will not throw money and my childern future away for any illegal or liberal ideas, but i will take up arms and defend this country with my life if need be.
Maybe your mexican buddies should do the same in their country...and it's not they can't... they won't...I think they are hoping you will fight their battle for them.
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I have to agree with what somebody wrote on another thread: america/first - you are scary...as all extremists are.

You're too blinded by hatred and bitterness and anger to even converse civilly with a young man who has some very good thoughts and ideas on the subject. It's not that you must agree with him - it's that you refuse to listen to him at all.

Scary.
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I have to agree with what somebody wrote on another thread: america/first - you are scary...as all extremists are.

You're too blinded by hatred and bitterness and anger to even converse civilly with a young man who has some very good thoughts and ideas on the subject. It's not that you must agree with him - it's that you refuse to listen to him at all.

Scary.
Just how many times do i have to listen to all these give away ideas, do you really think that he's the first to come up with all this crap.
I stop listing to him when he stated that poor Americans can just deal with it..But now you are free to listen to every ideas he comes up with..But here an idea. I think it is shamful to use a 17 year old child as a liberal weapon.he should be out playing football and chasing young girls, not on here being a smartass punk to adults.
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